Romney/Ryan Lose 2012 Election Thread

[Predicto]

Tinfoil hat world here, but I don't think it's a coincidence that a left-leaning movement generally against Wall St. was created months before the right was very likely to nominate basically a Wall St. fat cat.

*blink blink*

wha? Oh come on.

[Tulane Skins Fan]

Oh boy:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...washingtonpost

As one of the wealthiest candidates to run for president in recent times, Romney has used a variety of techniques to help minimize the taxes on his estimated $250 million fortune. In addition to paying the lower tax rate on his investment income, Romney has as much as $8 million invested in at least 12 funds listed on a Cayman Islands registry. Another investment, which Romney reports as being worth between $5 million and $25 million, shows up on securities records as having been domiciled in the Caymans.
Official documents reviewed by ABC News show that Bain Capital, the private equity partnership Romney once ran, has set up some 138 secretive offshore funds in the Caymans.

Tax experts agree that Romney remains subject to American taxes. But they say the offshore accounts have provided him — and Bain — with other potential financial benefits, such as higher management fees and greater foreign interest, all at the expense of the U.S. Treasury. Rebecca J. Wilkins, a tax policy expert with Citizens for Tax Justice, said the federal government loses an estimated $100 billion a year because of tax havens.
[Jack] Blum, the D.C. tax lawyer, said working through an offshore investment vehicle allows the investor to “avoid a whole series of small traps in the tax code that ordinary people would face if they paid tax on an onshore basis.”
Wilkins agreed, saying the “primary advantage to setting those funds up in an offshore jurisdiction like the Cayman Islands or Bermuda is it helps the investors avoid tax.”
“It helps U.S. investors avoid U.S. tax,” said Wilkins, “it helps foreign investors avoid taxes in their home country, so it’s not illegal or improper to set those funds up in a foreign jurisdiction, but it makes it more attractive to investors because it helps them avoid paying taxes on that income.”

Also: http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/romney...ry?id=15378566

That hurts.

[Buford]

So, the primary in S.C. is in a few days. You have a state that has some of the highest unemployment going on.....and this breaks. Newt, Ron and the Ricks are probably getting ready to talk on this over and over again.

[Larry]

So, the primary in S.C. is in a few days. You have a state that has some of the highest unemployment going on.....and this breaks. Newt, Ron and the Ricks are probably getting ready to talk on this over and over again.

While casually forgetting to mention that "Oh, BTW, under my tax plan? Romney's taxes would be zero."

[SnyderShrugged]

It appears that there were some vote miscounts in Iowa, and that means Romney isnt the first GOP candidate to win the back to back primary/caucus races like they were trumpeting before.

Santorum wins now in a statistical tie , Paul still a statistical second. Less than 4k vote margin between santorum/romney and Paul.

Wonder if this will be reported by the big networks or just ignored like they often do?

http://www.delawareonline.com/articl...%7Ctext%7CHome


New Iowa tally: Santorum 34 votes ahead of Romney

TOTALS
Rick Santorum: 29,839
Mitt Romney: 29,805
Ron Paul: 26,036
Newt Gingrich: 16,163
Rick Perry: 12,557
Michele Bachmann: 6,046
Jon Huntsman: 739
Others: No preference, 147; Herman Cain, 45; Sarah Palin, 23; Buddy Roemer, 17; Fred Karger, 10; Gary Johnson, 8; Donald Trump, 5; Paul Ryan, 3; Condoleeza Rice, 2; Roy Moore, 2; Ben Lange, 2; Mike Huckabee, 2; Rudy Giuliani, 2; Tim Pawlenty, 2; Scott Walker, 1; John McCain, 1; Ralph Nader, 1; Pat Buchanan, 1; Robert D. Ray, 1; Jared Blankenship, 1.

[Buford]

Chuck Todd is talking about it right now on Morning Joe how quickly this changes Romney from potentially going 3-0 to 1-2 with the win coming from the least conservative state of the 3.

[SnyderShrugged]

Chuck Todd is talking about it right now on Morning Joe how quickly this changes Romney from potentially going 3-0 to 1-2 with the win coming from the least conservative state of the 3.

Unfortunately, the misreported numbers (and I call shenanigans) gave him momentum and the whole "electability" factor and it likely impacted NH votes and will still impact SC votes now.

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[Larry]

Santorum wins now in a statistical tie , Paul still a statistical second.

Uh, minor, semantic point, here. But I think that the correct terminology to describe the results you listed is:

Santorum wins now, Paul still third.

[SnyderShrugged]

Uh, minor, semantic point, here. But I think that the correct terminology to describe the results you listed is:

Santorum wins now, Paul still third.

only by raw vote counts, in effect, he statistically in second and the others are tied for first.

The greater story is that this was known before and they just now released this info.

[twa]

[Larry]

only by raw vote counts, in effect, he statistically in second and the others are tied for first.

Uh, if two people are tied for first, then the next person behind them is third.

You know. You can't be second when there's two people in front of you.

In the 2000 Presidential election, Ralph Nader did not come in second, with 3% of the vote. He came in third.

[SnyderShrugged]

Uh, if two people are tied for first, then the next person behind them is third.

You know. You can't be second when there's two people in front of you.

In the 2000 Presidential election, Ralph Nader did not come in second, with 3% of the vote. He came in third.

you recall I said statistically tied I hope?

and in terms of delegates, thats really what matters. Gore beat Bush in Fl too

[SnyderShrugged]

the plot thickens, makes me wonder who won in those 8 missing precincts


Santorum finished 34 votes ahead of Romney in new Iowa tally; votes from 8 precincts missing

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...RAQ_story.html

[visionary]

Apparently Romney has now called Santorum and conceded Iowa.

[Prosperity]

Santorum should have declared himself the winner when he had the chance.