Romney/Ryan Lose 2012 Election Thread

[Hooper]

The only thing more surprising to me than how bad of a candidate Romney has been so far is how much of a lightweight Ryan looks on the big stage.

[Hersh]

"I don't pay more than are legally due and frankly if I had paid more than are legally due I don't think I'd be qualified to become president," Romney said. "I'd think people would want me to follow the law and pay only what the tax code requires."

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That's an awesome point though not at all surprising that he pandered like this.

[Larry]

So, what we're saying is that Romney's 2011 tax return is a deliberately constructed fiction? One that he's willing to spend his own money, to try to prop up the illusion?

[Duckus]

"I don't pay more than are legally due and frankly if I had paid more than are legally due I don't think I'd be qualified to become president," Romney said. "I'd think people would want me to follow the law and pay only what the tax code requires."

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So, let me get this straight. Mitt Romney believes that he nor Paul Ryan are qualified to be president. Amazing.

[Predicto]

So, what we're saying is that Romney's 2011 tax return is a deliberately constructed fiction? One that he's willing to spend his own money, to try to prop up the illusion?

Not only that, but he arguably delayed filing and releasing it so that he could match the return up with his pre-existing talking points, which otherwise would have been false. If that is true, it's kind of mindboggling, and it really makes you wonder what the heck his other tax returns must be like.

Of course, I can already see the Fox guys chattering: "The tax return issue is over so drop it already, he's released it, he even paid more than he had to, look how charitable he is, why are you harping on this, media bias!"

[HBnotBlades]

I don't trust him at all when if comes to what he claims is in his tax returns. He did the same thing while running for Governor up here in Massachusetts. He said he was a resident and payed taxes in Mass while living in Utah, but wouldn't disclose his tax returns. Then an investigative journalist discovered he in fact didn't pay MA taxes for several years and Romney said he had been meaning to correct that. Only then did Romney correct his taxes and pay what he said he did.

Basically, I have no reason to believe he's telling the truth now. Especially since he lied about the same thing in the past.

[Tulane Skins Fan]

Not only that, but he arguably delayed filing and releasing it so that he could match the return up with his pre-existing talking points, which otherwise would have been false. If that is true, it's kind of mindboggling, and it really makes you wonder what the heck his other tax returns must be like.

Of course, I can already see the Fox guys chattering: "The tax return issue is over so drop it already, he's released it, he even paid more than he had to, look how charitable he is, why are you harping on this, media bias!"

He is a ****ing disaster. There's no way around it. He's so full of ****, he can't even keep it straight. This is what happens when you have a great desire to please everyone and a mouth that is directly hooked up to that part of your brain with no filter. Jeez.

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Think about this... the tax code is so unfair that he OPTED to pay more taxes than he owes so that he doesn't look bad, even though he paid all he's legally obligated. And now he's running to further reduce taxes for the people in his income level.

Give me a break.

[LadySkinsFan]

If he thinks that releasing his tax return on Friday afternoon (slow news time), he miscalculated. It's all that will be talked about until November 6th. Huge fail on his part. He didn't calculate his charitable giving correctly in the first place so he didn't give as much as he did and could have taken all the deductions allowed to get over 13.9%. Anyone calculate yet what his percentage would have been if he had taken all the charitable deduction allowed?

Plus he filed a false return.

[Predicto]

Plus he filed a false return.

No he didn't, not as far as I can see. You don't have to take deductions if you don't want to, and his earlier filing was just an estimate (people with a lot of investments often have to get an extension of time beyond April 15).

[Larry]

If he thinks that releasing his tax return on Friday afternoon (slow news time), he miscalculated. It's all that will be talked about until November 6th.

Actually, I would bet that he hopes this is what gets talked about.

I've read that Obama has been making references to "not representing 47% of the nation" a standard, repeated, part of his speech, last few days.

[Predicto]

Here's an interesting note:

After the election, Romney can file an amended return and take the maximum deductions possible anyway. If he did, his effective tax rate would be about 9 percent.

[DCSaints_fan]

I really don't care how much he has or hasn't paid. Who can blame him for paying the minimum amount he has too. Its his position on what people like him should pay that I disagree with.

[Larry]

I really don't care how much he has or hasn't paid. Who can blame him for paying the minimum amount he has too. Its his position on what people like him should pay that I disagree with.

That was a point I tried to make, back then all of the GOP candidates were attacking Mitt for not paying enough.

I kept wanting him to respond with "not paying enough? I'm the only person on this stage who thinks I should pay any!"

Far as I'm aware, Romney was the only Republican candidate who didn't pledge, if elected, to eliminate the capital gains tax.

(I made the same point when W was attacking John Kerry for "only" paying whatever it was (I think it was like 9%, in Kerry's case.) I mean, here was Bush, attacking a really rich guy for not paying enough taxes, while simultaneously saying that capital gains shouldn't be taxed, at all. (Whereas Kerry was promising, if elected, to raise his own taxes by a percent or two.)

At least Mitt is proposing to eliminate capital gains, only for people making less than $250K.

[NLC1054]

At least Mitt is proposing to eliminate capital gains, only for people making less than $250K.

So effectively he wants to eliminate the capital gains tax for people who don't use it.

There goes that cognitive dissonance again...

[Buford]

I actually feel bad for Mitt at the moment. This was lose/lose for a guy who just has no moral center. All this stuff just keeps rolling back on him. I don't think he's a bad guy per se. Just that you need to have more of that intangible something to be a leader of a country. I know people want to make these private business/government qualification things. But, we didn't see it translate in Mass, at least in a way he is talking about much.

Anyway, lots of time to go. He needs to get some better people around him though. His current team of guys like Sununu and Fehrnstrom seem like plants by the Obama campaign. They come across so very poorly. Especially Sununu who I can't believe they keep putting out there. He looks old, fat, short, sickly and angry.