Romney/Ryan Lose 2012 Election Thread

[No Excuses]

To be fair, the President really hasn't at all during his first term either

Yes he has. You simply don't agree with them.

False equivalency between Dems and Republicans seems to be a growing trend amongst Ron Paul fans.

[mikered30]

If you believe the Gallup poll, Romney has the advantage at 51% to 45%, plus or minus 2%.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/157817/el...ma-romney.aspx

[Thiebear]

Funny. I was under the impression that Obama's signature piece of legislation had been written into actual legislation, passed, signed, and is being implemented. Sounds to me like that's some pretty detailed specifics.
I was also under the impression that he's submitted a few specific, detailed, budget requests.
And made a proposal on how to avoid at least part of the fiscal claiff. It passed the Senate (with every single Republican voting against it), and the House won't schedule a vote on it.
That's at least some details.

Technically that piece of legislation didn't have any details, was told we couldn't be told about it because it wasn't 'really a bill' and then it was passed 14 days later.
We have since then been learning about the bill as journalists pour through it, though 9 out of 10 people couldn't tell you when it starts, what it will cost per person or how you even enroll.
Other than that it was very transparent.
We can talk about all of the President and Senates budgets if you wish also, to include Senator Reids (there no reason to even write a budget in 2011).

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...sparency-award
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2...3fa_fact_mayer

[Larry]

Technically that piece of legislation didn't have any details, was told we couldn't be told about it because it wasn't 'really a bill' and then it was passed 14 days later.

Did you, personally, spend over a year, here on ES, and in other places in your life, debating the various features and details of Obamacare, before it was passed?

[Thiebear]

Did you, personally, spend over a year, here on ES, and in other places in your life, debating the various features and details of Obamacare, before it was passed?

I couldn't tell you, its a blur of "LIAR" and Payoffs, though I did a search on how to enroll in Obamacare, didn't find anything, then looked up the Affordability bill real name and couldn't find anything.

You dispute the Pelosi 2012 update to the "You can't know what's in it before we pass it" that i believe even the Washington Post though was a bit shady.

or the rest of the Transparency links posted to show us all what is going to happen in the future in the administration?

Do YOU Know anything about Obamacare? Other than its awesome....

[skinsfan_1215]

I did a search on how to enroll in Obamacare, didn't find anything, then looked up the Affordability bill real name and couldn't find anything.
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Sarcasm?

[Thiebear]

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Sarcasm?

Not really, a google search on enrolling and what to expect... Do you have a good site for this?

[Thinking Skins]

Funny. I was under the impression that Obama's signature piece of legislation had been written into actual legislation, passed, signed, and is being implemented. Sounds to me like that's some pretty detailed specifics.

I was also under the impression that he's submitted a few specific, detailed, budget requests.

And made a proposal on how to avoid at least part of the fiscal claiff. It passed the Senate (with every single Republican voting against it), and the House won't schedule a vote on it.

That's at least some details.

Lets not forget the jobs bill, the dream act, and several other things that those in congress are holding hostage.

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

Video included.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/10...hostage-video/

New Revelation At ’47%’ Dinner – Romney Was Hoping For Something Like Iran Hostage


It seems that for Romney, the “truths” told during that particular fundraiser are like any ghost worth his reputation, the haunting is relentless and this latest portion could be the most damaging of all. In the video, Romney is caught hoping for an Iran hostage type situation to help propel him into the White House. Is it any surprise that he has tried to make political hay out of the Benghazi terror attacks?

As you watch the video, notice the man (is that a British accent?) asking Romney how he can “duplicate” an Iran hostage type scenario. Instead of dismissing the question as going against American interests, Romney agrees that the strategy would be beneficial. The entire video is worth a listen but at the end, Romney says, “if something of that nature presents itself, I will work to take advantage of the opportunity.”

[SnyderShrugged]

Yes he has. You simply don't agree with them.

False equivalency between Dems and Republicans seems to be a growing trend amongst Ron Paul fans.

except for that pesky fact that it isnt a false equivalency. Its not a growing trend either, its a well established long known fact.

[Skinz4Life12]

Video included.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/10...hostage-video/

does anyone doubt that if this guy gets elected he will have us in another war within a year?

[skinsfan_1215]

Not really, a google search on enrolling and what to expect... Do you have a good site for this?

The public option was tossed out of it pretty early on due to severe right wing opposition if I recall correctly. There were a lot of compromises to get it passed, and though it gets demonized and portrayed that way by conservatives it's not a "government takeover of health care." More like a series of reforms designed to protect patients. There's nothing to "enroll" in.

Here are some links with the highlights:

http://www.healthcare.gov/law/index.html and more specifically http://www.healthcare.gov/law/features/index.html

And a summary of some of the effects: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...able-care-act/

[Thiebear]

does anyone doubt that if this guy gets elected he will have us in another war within a year?

With which country are we not in a drone war with now? That's how we "War' now-a-days. Though Lybia got a few pilots? And Jordan got some ground troops?
17+ countries?
US drone kills al-Qaeda suspects in Yemen
Aljazeera.com‎ - 2 hours ago

[Skinz4Life12]

With which country are we not in a drone war with now? That's how we "War' now-a-days. Though Lybia got a few pilots? And Jordan got some ground troops?

Mittens doesn't want drone wars. He wants to put troops on the the ground in Iran

[Wrong Direction]

The public option was tossed out of it pretty early on due to severe right wing opposition if I recall correctly. There were a lot of compromises to get it passed, and though it gets demonized and portrayed that way by conservatives it's not a "government takeover of health care." More like a series of reforms designed to protect patients.

You recall incorrectly. He tossed out the public option to maintain the 60 Democrat votes. He'd have gladly included it against Republican objections if all Dems in the Senate supported it. And the deals that got it passed included the Louisiana Purchase, Cornhusker Kickback and a huge ad deal with Pharma.

There's nothing to "enroll" in.

Sort of right and sort of wrong. The pre-existing health plans were created and barely used. They ended up liberalizing the definition of anyone having a pre-existing condition to include anything from a cold (with a Dr. note) to MS.

There will be something to enroll in, either in 2014 or 2015 if the delay rumor I'm hearing turns out to be true. That is assuming Obama wins and/or Romney can't make major reforms/replace it.

---------- Post added October-18th-2012 at 10:13 AM ----------

Here's an article defending Romney's plans. It defends the cap on deductions, corporate reforms, so-called $2 trillion in defense spending and spending limits. Most here won't like it since it's from Romney's perspective, but for those interested a link is below. I posted the conclusion.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...-alan-reynolds

Obama’s ‘Trillion Dollar’ Tax-Cut Fraud

Romney’s tax reforms have a far better chance of generating enough revenue to cover spending that amounts to 20 percent of GDP than Obama’s punitive tax rates have of financing spending closer to 23 percent of GDP.

This is not least because Romney’s plans to reduce tax distortions and disincentives are enormously favorable to economic growth. Meanwhile, Obama’s tax plans are hostile to extra effort or investment if it results in any person or small business earning more than $250,000. Who, exactly, is going to have a hard time closing the deficit?