Romney/Ryan Lose 2012 Election Thread

[Larry]

I could see it happening.

I agree with Prosperity, it would be crazy. But crazy is driving the bus, these days.

If you'd prefer it phrased another way, the base has already demonstrated their ability to ignore a LOT, if it's from somebody on their side. And the base is what rules, in the primaries.

[mistertim]

So if Cain were the nominee, how would you see the general election debates ending up?

[mjah]

I really can't see Cain winning the nomination. Looking back at 2004 as a point of reference, I see Cain's eventual role being that of Howard Dean to Romney's John Kerry. An interesting and different candidate in some ways, but ultimately out of place as a prospective nominee and unelectable when the time comes to actually pull levers in the booth.

Who knows whether or not Cain will have his own "YEEEARGH" moment, but at some point even the far-right wacko sects of the GOP will realize it's complete suicide to put up a guy for President who literally has never held a public office of any kind whatsoever, and who has no killer-app message to boot. At least that wily coot Ross Perot had something to say that diverged from both party lines. Cain is trying to become the top dog in an entrenched party. I really can't imagine it happening, and that's before even getting into the smoke-vs-fire debate regarding his sex harassment accusations.

[visionary]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45074917...?beginSlide=1#

[AsburySkinsFan]

I totally disagree with both of you.

The GOP is presenting the country with a bunch of nutty extremists... and Romney. In times of economic trouble, people will vote against the incumbent President, if the GOP gives them a halfway reasonable choice.

I agree, Romney is the centerist's vote in the GOP. Perry and Cain aren't going to get the center, the only one that gets the center is Romney, and you need the center to win the general.

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You're right, Romney can be painted with the "loves big corporations" paintbrush. But not nearly to the extent that the rest of the field can.

At least the ones I've really looked at. (Cain and Perry).

But in the general election if it is Romney v Obama, then they don't have to worry about Perry and Cain, instead Romney becomes the "I love corporations" candidate.

[Larry]

But in the general election if it is Romney v Obama, then they don't have to worry about Perry and Cain, instead Romney becomes the "I love corporations" candidate.

Yes, and Obama becomes The Most Liberal Person in the World.

But the moderate voters will know that both of them are actually rather moderate. (Certainly when compared to what the rest of the GOP has become.)

Again, I'm not saying that it's impossible to paint Romney as a corporate lover.

I'm saying that "Romney can be painted as a corporation lover, therefore we should nominate Cain" is absolute idiocy.

[AsburySkinsFan]

I'm saying that "Romney can be painted as a corporation lover, therefore we should nominate Cain" is absolute idiocy.

Oh I agree completely, but I think this current round of discussion here got kicked off because someone asked why run that Romney ad now, and since it is a Dem PAC ad it is being run now to label Romney as a corporate lover in order to keep Centerists from voting for Romney in the primaries, because they want the extremists to get the nomination for the GOP.

[Larry]

Oh I agree completely, but I think this current round of discussion here got kicked off because someone asked why run that Romney ad now, and since it is a Dem PAC ad it is being run now to label Romney as a corporate lover in order to keep Centerists from voting for Romney in the primaries, because they want the extremists to get the nomination for the GOP.

Wow.

That was both a really logical point and a way to get the thread back on topic.

Thanks.

[AsburySkinsFan]

Wow.

That was both a really logical point and a way to get the thread back on topic.

Thanks.

Even a blind dog finds a bone once and awhile.

[twa]

Could Obama hope to run to the right of Romney?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...xgM_story.html
As governor, Romney worked to reassure liberalsHe would be a “good voice in the party” for their cause, and his moderation on the issue would be “widely written about,” he said, according to detailed notes taken by an officer of the group, NARAL Pro-Choice Massachusetts.

“You need someone like me in Washington,” several participants recalled Romney saying that day in September 2002, an apparent reference to his future ambitions.

Romney made similar assurances to activists for gay rights and the environment, according to people familiar with the discussions, both as a candidate for governor and then in the early days of his term.

The encounters with liberal advocates offer some revealing insights into the ever-evolving ideology of Romney, who as a presidential candidate now espouses the hard-line opposition to abortion that he seemed to disparage less than a decade ago.

Some details of his interactions with liberal activists were first reported in the Los Angeles Times in 2007, when Romney was introducing himself on the national stage.

[Larry]

You mean, in order to become Governor of Massachusetts, Romney actually spoke nicely to people who aren't traditional Republican supporters?

I'm shocked.

(But, if your point is that the Republican base would rather give up their guns that allow this guy to get the nomination, then I agree with you. Things like your post don't hurt Romney among moderates. But they absolutely poison him in the primary.)

[twa]

Is that what you got from that?

[mjah]

Could Obama hope to run to the right of Romney?

Mitt said some stuff once?

How nice. Surely he must have meant it. LOL.

[Prosperity]

Could Obama hope to run to the right of Romney?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...xgM_story.html
As governor, Romney worked to reassure liberalsHe would be a “good voice in the party” for their cause, and his moderation on the issue would be “widely written about,” he said, according to detailed notes taken by an officer of the group, NARAL Pro-Choice Massachusetts.

“You need someone like me in Washington,” several participants recalled Romney saying that day in September 2002, an apparent reference to his future ambitions.

Romney made similar assurances to activists for gay rights and the environment, according to people familiar with the discussions, both as a candidate for governor and then in the early days of his term.

The encounters with liberal advocates offer some revealing insights into the ever-evolving ideology of Romney, who as a presidential candidate now espouses the hard-line opposition to abortion that he seemed to disparage less than a decade ago.

Some details of his interactions with liberal activists were first reported in the Los Angeles Times in 2007, when Romney was introducing himself on the national stage.

I wonder what Mitt Romney's stance is on homosexual corporations in the military

[Jumbo]

I'm spending some time re-connecting with family on the WA coast, close to Astoria OR (a beautiful and very cool little town). They have a rather well known clown college (for real) there, and a nephew of mine has a friend who worked it part-time. They have a lot of fun things as you might imagine in their window displays, including many posters and graphics and a window of photos of celebrities who have visited and well-known graduates. This guy want to put pics of all the GOP candidates up, under the "well-known graduates" banner.