The Mess going on at Penn state Thread

[Heisenberg]

Curious to see how long ESPN and the rest of the major sports media outlets let this Mark Madden thing go.

It definitely would make sense that the charity would be formed to give JS access to easy targets - but the rest of this is mind blowing.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

With all the kids the Sanduskys adopted and fostered, I'd be surprised if none of them were molested. I hope someone is tracking them down and interviewing them.

You know, unless the person writing is a child psychologist or has some experience in child law or child protective services, everyone should probably stop speculating. Because a lot of you are just guessing and don't really understand how this stuff works. Just because someone is a serial molester does not mean that they moles or try to molest every person they come in contact with. It's like serial killers or serial arsonists. They have a profile. They have a plan. And they tend to stick to it. If Sandusky was just grabbing kids at the playground, he probably would have been caught years ago.

Obviously, it's something to look into, but I would frankly be very surprised if he ever abused his own children. His approach seems to be identical in every single case. A young boy in Second Mile. Has been in the program two years. Some gifts and trips. An overnight stay. Some tickling. Some wrestling. Eventually some fondling. And that leads to what McQueary saw.

[Elessar78]

Thanks for the reply Elessar. See somewhere in this is where I believe my true question lies. I've seen other posts here indicate that everything physically should be burned down, and I guess thats kind of where my mind was this morning. I don't believe that this will pass. I'm not even certain if as a society we can allow it to pass, and if we do, how do we do so. If you take away the entire aspect of it being a place of higher learning, and just consider it as a place (it could be any place in the world), where disgusting acts were perpetrated against innocent little kids, what becomes of it physically? I know the entire "idealogical" aspect of it being a place of higher learning, etc, is a completely seperate issue, but from a simple brick and mortar perspective, it just seems to be that certain parts of Penn State University need to be demolished to have any sort of attempt to begin to rectify the emotional scars that will (and should) run deep in and around the simple mention name of the university and the people involved.

I guess thats why my mind wants to relate it to the VT killings, because they're both physical acts that carry emotional scars. I know here in southern delaware there was a doctor (a pediatrician) found guilty of similar acts against young children, and ulitmately it was determined by the owner of the building where his practice was located, to simply demolish the building, and in some way pray that the sins associated with it would be buried in the rubble. To me that makes sense on some level. How can you ever step foot in the buildings where these acts occurred and not consider what occurred there? Its almost as if the ground has now been desecrated, and how do you move forward with everyday life on that same ground, as if nothing occurred?

Because of these questions, I think I have to agree with those saying that this place needs to be burned down. Maybe not exactly in that sense, but it makes me think that they should begin with sealing them off immediately, and if that happens what happens to the football program? I can see where there is a logic that exists that says this could literally end PSU football when you begin to link the physical what if consequences.

I'm not sure how literal you're being. Raze the Lasch football building? Sure. I'm all for a symbolic start. Raze the stadium? Like I said, to echo Lavar, people are capable of being dually good and evil. That stadium was the good part of Sandusky. Where he guided young men, yes I can say that without an ounce of cynicism or irony. I don't mean to defend him, but what he did on his own time was unknown to the players.

People want there to have been a "cover up" intentional, nefarious act(s) to maintain the status quo. I think, as far as Joe's involvement, it wasn't a that. He didn't do enough, sure. But I don't believe he did it because he cared to protect what he created over the welfare of children. I'll levy that charge on the administration, however. Blame him for inaction, apathy-I think that's fair.

As far as what we do as a society. What's the greatest evil that's been perpetrated on America? A decade out, how does this country act on it? Behaviors have changed. There's more security at airports, we spend more money tracking down and fighting terrorists but at the same time people have gone back to their lives as usual. With this? More money will be spent for "theatrical" monitoring of pedophiles at higher education. Politicians will posture and pass laws so this doesn't happen again. In the Catholic Church every employee and volunteer with kids has to go through some kind of abuse prevention training. It's nothing more than a PR stunt, but it says "we're doing something."

I finally found out this morning that there's a full 400 page transcript of grand jury precedings. I'm trying to get my hands on it.

The powers that be can shut down Penn State football. They can reduce state funding, the way students acted last night can almost guarantee that. Donations will certainly drop. The University will be sued to an inch of it's life, so they'll be struggling for operational funding much less funding something like a football team. It's gotta come from somewhere.

[DC9]

http://www.timesonline.com/columnist...a4bcf6878.html

Here is Mark Madden's write up on Sandusky back in April of 2011, no one picked up on it until now.


EDIT:

from Madden Article:

"Best-case scenario: Charges are never brought, and Sandusky walks away with his reputation permanently scarred. The rumors, the jokes, the sideways glances - they won't ever stop. Paterno and Penn State do the great escape.

Worst-case scenario: Sandusky is charged. Then it seems reasonable to wonder: Did Penn State not make an issue of Sandusky's alleged behavior in 1998 in exchange for him walking away from the program at an age premature for most coaches? Did Penn State's considerable influence help get Sandusky off the hook?

Don't kid yourself. That could happen. Don't underestimate the power of Paterno and Penn State in central Pennsylvania when it comes to policians, the police and the media."

[gchwood]

If they are unsure whether they can fire McQueary because of possible whistle blower law suits, they can certainly put him on administrative leave, until they figure it out.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

I think my theory is better; the reason McQuery didn't report it was because they gave him a job on the staff. If Madden's write up is true where they said "Sandusky was force retired in exchange for a cover up," then it's reasonable to assume they used the same MO with McQuery by giving him a job in exchange for a cover up.

Oh Christ. Is ESPN really giving ****ing Mark Madden a platform?

I need a drink.

Mark Madden is the sleaziest talk show host in America. Imagine if Steve Czaban was a bitter fat alcoholic who literally lived with his mother until he was 50 and who tried to live his life as if he was a professional wrestler. Mark Madden should be running an outlaw pro wrestling circuit in Kentucky in 1976, not pontificating about anything.

[AsburySkinsFan]

If they are unsure whether they can fire McQueary because of possible whistle blower law suits, they can certainly put him on administrative leave, until they figure it out.

Paid leave, yep. But I really think putting him on the sidelines is a bad move and potentially dangerous.

[Elessar78]

Or the reason could be that Sandusky, in 98 was investigated and, although charges were dropped, it was enough of an potential embarassment to the university that they felt he had to be let go.

[The Tris]

But I really think putting him on the sidelines is a bad move and potentially dangerous.

I think thats why they have said they had not determined whether he would be on the sidelines or not.

[S.T.real,lights,out]

Holy ****

Thats crazy! I wonder how a guy like Millen never caught on to this if this is true. Very sad, and i feel terrible for the young kids.

[Mr. Sinister]

I've seen Mark Madden on a lot of the "NFL Top Ten" shows on the NFL Network. He always struck me as somewhat of a dick.

[FSUSkins24]

I've seen Mark Madden on a lot of the "NFL Top Ten" shows on the NFL Network. He always struck me as somewhat of a dick.

Yeah, just looked at a picture... definitely comes across as one on top ten shows. But that doesn't mean he isn't credible. We just have to wait and see.

[China]

You know, unless the person writing is a child psychologist or has some experience in child law or child protective services, everyone should probably stop speculating. Because a lot of you are just guessing and don't really understand how this stuff works. Just because someone is a serial molester does not mean that they moles or try to molest every person they come in contact with. It's like serial killers or serial arsonists. They have a profile. They have a plan. And they tend to stick to it. If Sandusky was just grabbing kids at the playground, he probably would have been caught years ago.

Obviously, it's something to look into, but I would frankly be very surprised if he ever abused his own children. His approach seems to be identical in every single case. A young boy in Second Mile. Has been in the program two years. Some gifts and trips. An overnight stay. Some tickling. Some wrestling. Eventually some fondling. And that leads to what McQueary saw.

I agree it's unlikely that he's just grabbing random kids at the playground. He preyed on kid's he'd developed a relationship with that he had access to through Second Mile, and could later move on to someone else when they got older. I see your point and would concede that it would be unlikely for him to prey on his adopted children that lived with him long-term. However, foster children might only stay a short while and would seem to me to potentially have a similar profile to kids from Second Mile, with the caveats of age and sex.

And good luck with getting people to stop speculating.

[SkinsNumberOne]

I think my theory is better; the reason McQuery didn't report it was because they gave him a job on the staff. If Madden's write up is true where they said "Sandusky was force retired in exchange for a cover up," then it's reasonable to assume they used the same MO with McQuery by giving him a job in exchange for a cover up.

Yeah I had a post like this written up for this thread 2 days ago and got busy so didn't get a chance to finish and submit it.

McQueary was given a promotion from "graduate assistant" to "admin assistant" in 2003 (year immediately following alleged activity, probably months later), and then the very next year (2004) he was promoted to WR coach/recruiting coordinator. source: http://www.gopsusports.com/sports/m-...ry_mike00.html

The timing is suspect and worthy of some investigation at least. I'm glad he appears to be telling the truth now. It's hard to say, but we still don't know all of the details, what was said by whom and to whom, etc. The thing is, in the grand jury testimony he seems to say he witnessed this act in no uncertain terms. If that's the case, waiting this long is inexcusable, especially when it seems he was given "more to lose" in the process (at the least). How many kids could have been saved otherwise.

Hats off to PSU for firing Paterno. That took guts. I honestly didn't expect it, but I really respect them for the action.


*By the way, I hope any PSU alums who were bothered by jokes and comments about the situation were equally bothered by jokes and comments about Catholic priests in the past. Otherwise.... it seems a bit hypocritical, and you should probably realize that.

[lovetoaster]

Oh Christ. Is ESPN really giving ****ing Mark Madden a platform?

I need a drink.

Mark Madden is the sleaziest talk show host in America. Imagine if Steve Czaban was a bitter fat alcoholic who literally lived with his mother until he was 50 and who tried to live his life as if he was a professional wrestler. Mark Madden should be running an outlaw pro wrestling circuit in Kentucky in 1976, not pontificating about anything.

Yeah, as I mentioned earlier, I have worked in the same circles as Madden a few times, and I am not really a fan of his. But he does have connections to a lot of things. And the fact that he wrote a story that essentially laid this whole story out seven months ago, and nobody paid any attention to it is kinda curious. And i'll be the first to admit, when I read the story initially, I thought it was very un-Maddenesque because it seemed like a real journalist wrote it. He was the first person that really stepped forward on this, so I don't think he can be simply dismissed on this issue.