The Mess going on at Penn state Thread

[Major Harris]

Anyhow, it really does look like Robert Maynard Hutchins was right: "Football has the same relation to education as bullfighting has to agriculture."

i disagree. football teaches a lot of things that aren't learned in the classroom, especially todays classroom.

jerry sandusky, as vile as he is, does not change that.

[Predicto]

A Baylor basketball player murdered another Baylor basketball player. The Baylor basketball coach told his team to lie to the police about it.

Why did the NCAA drop the hammer on Baylor?

Because the dead player had his tuition paid by his coach.

PS

One really needs to look at Baylor Basketball to get evidence that the NCAA is never going to give a school the death penalty again. Here is the entire Baylor scandal in a nutshell.

Baylor is already on NCAA probation for "major" tennis violations. The Baylor basketball coach pays the tuition of player A and Player B. The Baylor basketball coach lies about failed drug tests for Player A and Player B. Player A murders Player B. Meanwhile, the entire team is filled with drug addicts and alcoholics. The coaching staff is paying for meals and clothes for the rest of the team. When the NCAA comes in, the coach tells his players to lie to the NCAA and creates the lie that the dead player was a drug dealer. Meanwhile, the coach is directing school boosters to fund an AAU team that has future Baylor recruits on it.

What was Baylor's punishment? They weren't allowed to play non-conference games for a year. Oh, and their on-campus visits were reduced.

I agree that if the Baylor murder case is the precedent, the NCAA will do nothing.

I was more speaking in the abstract.

---------- Post added July-10th-2012 at 03:55 PM ----------

i disagree. football teaches a lot of things that aren't learned in the classroom, especially todays classroom.

jerry sandusky, as vile as he is, does not change that.

Kids playing sports certainly teaches some things. I'm not sure big time college sports teach anything to anyone.

[Popeman38]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports...NdW_story.html

STATE COLLEGE, Pa. — The NCAA says that it will decide on whether to take action at the “appropriate time” in connection with its inquiry into Penn State and the child sexual abuse scandal that led to the ouster of Hall of Fame coach Joe Paterno.

Findings from Penn State’s internal investigation into the case of ex-defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky are due Thursday. The NCAA says it has already been collecting information from the probe led by former FBI director Louis Freeh.

The NCAA says Penn State will have to formally respond to questions from NCAA President Mark Emmert, even after Freeh unveils his findings.

The governing body says it won’t interfere with other ongoing inquiries into the matter, and will determine if additional action is necessary. They offered no specific timeline.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

This seems incredibly significant.

Spanier Tells Freeh Investigators He was Not Aware of Any Child Sexual Abuse by Sandusky
http://www.statecollege.com/news/loc...dusky-1087269/

At this point, I'm not believing anything until I see all the emails. This is turning into a game of telephone gone horribly awry.

[The Evil Genius]

Proving that there is no such thing as bad press, Rivals currently has PSU's 2013 recruiting class at #15.

[Popeman38]

More proof that JoePa was living in fantasyland:

http://pennstate.scout.com/2/1201534.html

[Forehead]

Proving that there is no such thing as bad press, Rivals currently has PSU's 2013 recruiting class at #15.

Well, putting aside the Sandusky thing for a minute, since the new coaching staff wasn't involved in it, nor the football team themselves, there's a reason for this. The new coach for Penn State (Bill O'Brien) was the QB coach for the New England Patriots the past few years, coaching Tom Brady. And you saw what the Patriots did with Gronkowski and Hernandez. Knowing that, it's no surprise Penn State has landed the #1 QB in the nation (ESPN Ranking) and the #1 TE-Y. Those two, along with a few other big recruits on the line, are the reason for the ranking. They're probably looking at O'Brien and seeing a chance to develop and be drafted as prospects schooled in an NFL style offense, rather than a gimmick (Hawaii, for example).

[ixcuincle]

Some report being released today

[DC9]

Some report being released today

Yes, that would be the Freeh report. I can't wait, myself.

[RonArtest15]

[Updated at 9:15 a.m. ET] Louis Freeh, the former FBI director who led the Penn State-funded probe, said in remarks released Thursday that former athletic director Tim Curley consulted with former head coach Joe Paterno following sex abuse allegations against Jerry Sandusky and "they changed the plan and decided not to make a report to the authorities."

It's over for ANYONE who supported Joe Paterno through this. Dude needs his statue destroyed and his name removed from ANYTHING that has his likeness on the campus.

CNN has a live blog up that is going over the particulars of the Freeh report.

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/07/12...sed/?hpt=hp_t1

[ixcuincle]

At least CNN is taking a more tempered approach to report review. Learning lessons from Healthcare fiasco

Yeah, watching CNN right now as is the custom before work

[RonArtest15]

Another snippet from the live blog

[Updated at 9:25 a.m. ET] More from the findings: “Four of the most powerful people at The Pennsylvania State University – President Graham B. Spanier, Senior Vice President-Finance and Business Gary C. Schultz, Athletic Director Timothy M. Curley and Head Football Coach Joseph V. Paterno – failed to protect against a child sexual predator harming children for over a decade.”

“These men concealed Sandusky’s activities from the Board of Trustees, the University community and authorities. They exhibited a striking lack of empathy for Sandusky’s victims by failing to inquire as to their safety and well-being, especially by not attempting to determine the identity of the child who Sandusky assaulted in the Lasch Building in 2001. ...

“These individuals, unchecked by the Board of Trustees that did not perform its oversight duties, empowered Sandusky to attract potential victims to the campus and football events by allowing him to have continued, unrestricted and unsupervised access to the University’s facilities and affiliation with the University’s prominent football program.”

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/07/12...sed/?hpt=hp_t1

[bcl05]

What a mess. Not one person stood up and protected kids from getting raped. I'll read it more carefully when I get the chance, but the stuff I've seen so far is pretty damning.

[Kilmer17]

I dont see how the NCAA cant get involved now.

[RonArtest15]

Check this out:

[Updated at 9:47 a.m. ET] The report says that in May 2011, Spanier and the school's general counsel, Cynthia Baldwin, minimized the seriousness of a child sex abuse investigation into Sandusky during a Board of Trustees meeting "by not fully describing the nature of the allegations or raising the issue of possible negative impact to the University."

The board also did not make "reasonable inquiry" about the investigation, the report says.

[Updated at 9:43 a.m. ET] The Board of Trustees' dismissal of Paterno in November 2011 "was poorly handled, as were the Board's communications with public," the report says.

Penn State is scheduled to hold a 3:30 p.m. ET news conference Thursday regarding the internal review.

[Updated at 9:39 a.m. ET] The report highlights Penn State's decision to allow Sandusky to retire in 1999 "as a valued member of the Penn State football legacy," after allegations in 1998, "essentially granted him license to bring boys to campus facilities for 'grooming' as targets for his assaults."

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/07/12...sed/?hpt=hp_t1

Everyone currently on the BOT needs to be replaced. Seems like there needs to be a complete overhaul of leadership. Pretty much starting from scratch. This is mind blowing as far as how many people covered up these heinous acts. I mean, I think we all had an idea from reading up on this case since November, but now that the actual details are coming to surface, it gets worse and worse.

If you're a student at PSU, what's going through your mind?