The Mess going on at Penn state Thread

[ixcuincle]

http://twitter.com/richarddeitsch/st...49997373485056

Again, Matt Millen is the absolute wrong person to be your lead analyst on Penn State today. Management is setting him up here.

Typical ESPN garbage.

[youngchew]

A lot of talk about how Penn State should take down the JoPa statue outside Beaver Stadium...

[DC9]

If you are a Pennsylvania tax payer and some of your money is going towards the funding of public, state schools like Penn State, can you raise a stink about your tax dollars potentially going to the payment of the Sandusky victims?

How about $500k a month to Freeh's people to do this investigation (from Penn State... more than likely via tax payer money)?

[HeluCopter29]

I really struggle with the idea that bad publicity and protection of the institution and football team was the reason for any of this. If they had made the report in 2001, then in all reality, nothing bad would have happened. I'd be interested in knowing more about how we got to this conclusion.

[DC9]

I really struggle with the idea that bad publicity and protection of the institution and football team was the reason for any of this. If they had made the report in 2001, then in all reality, nothing bad would have happened. I'd be interested in knowing more about how we got to this conclusion.

Let's start with Joe's reputation. He was always the honest one and the one who did things the right way. One of their recruiting slogans was that they were one of only two (or the only one) NCAA programs that had never been investigated by the NCAA.

Couple that with the backlash from all of the Penn State fans/alums that are going nuts right now and it's pretty easy to see how that was the reflex reaction by most people.

[RonArtest15]

He said Joe was all integrity, high integrity, blah, blah, blah.

"If it was the right thing to do, it was what [Paterno] did."

"[Paterno] wasn't worried about bad publicity."

Also said something along the lines of "one mistake shouldn't erase 50 years of good."

SMH...

This fool must have bumped his head and forgotten that this "one" mistake lasted 14 years.

[Fight4RGIII]

A lot of talk about how Penn State should take down the JoPa statue outside Beaver Stadium...

Rightfully so, but I see a lot of drunken college students surrounding it trying to protect it.

[RonArtest15]

How about $500k a month to Freeh's people to do this investigation (from Penn State... more than likely via tax payer money)?

I'd probably be less miffed at that than my money going to pay out Sandusky victims because of Penn State's negligence from the get go.

*Edit*

for those who think this wasn't a football issue...what would have been the outcome of this had Sandusky been an economics professor or something along those lines?

[lovetoaster]

I really struggle with the idea that bad publicity and protection of the institution and football team was the reason for any of this. If they had made the report in 2001, then in all reality, nothing bad would have happened. I'd be interested in knowing more about how we got to this conclusion.

I think it just snowballed out of control. And I think you may underestimate the culture at Penn State. It is an interesting place and both the school and the community took immense pride in doing things the right way and being a pure and righteous program. I am sure there were a lot of things that were swept under the rug to protect that image. As much as I hate to say it, things are swept under the rug at every major DI program. But this was not someone like Oklahoma, this was Penn State, the model football program. And they went to unfortunate lengths to cover up a awful situation to protect the image of a football program. Horribly misplaced priorities by everyone involved.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

I think it just snowballed out of control. And I think you may underestimate the culture at Penn State. It is an interesting place and both the school and the community took immense pride in doing things the right way and being a pure and righteous program. I am sure there were a lot of things that were swept under the rug to protect that image. As much as I hate to say it, things are swept under the rug at every major DI program. But this was not someone like Oklahoma, this was Penn State, the model football program. And they went to unfortunate lengths to cover up a awful situation to protect the image of a football program. Horribly misplaced priorities by everyone involved.

I think there are a few factors at play here.

1. Penn State's entire image was built around "Success with Honor." Not just the football program but the entire university and pretty much the town. They could not square that image with having a pedophile on the staff.

2. Paterno had far too much influence across the board.

3. In reading these emails, it looks like a discussion out of the 1950s. How can four educated, important men seem so disconnected from sex abuse? They seem to be treating it like a revelation that Jerry Sandusky drinks too much wine with dinner. What was PSU's training in this area?

[DC9]

I'd probably be less miffed at that than my money going to pay out Sandusky victims because of Penn State's negligence from the get go.

*Edit*

for those who think this wasn't a football issue...what would have been the outcome of this had Sandusky been an economics professor or something along those lines?

Oh, no doubt, I'm just implying that I can't understand the support these guys up in PA are still so supportive when it's costing them a fortune already. Great point on the edit, btw.

[Hunter_R]

3. In reading these emails, it looks like a discussion out of the 1950s. How can four educated, important men seem so disconnected from sex abuse? They seem to be treating it like a revelation that Jerry Sandusky drinks too much wine with dinner. What was PSU's training in this area?

Sociopathic tendencies are thought to be present in all high-ranking people. It's how they get where they are. They don't care. Simple as that.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

Sociopathic tendencies are thought to be present in all high-ranking people. It's how they get where they are. They don't care. Simple as that.

You think that Spanier, Curley, Schultz and Paterno are all sociopaths?

That seems like a big-time reach.

[Busch1724]

You have no idea. Those people will probably just avoid this thread like the plague.

I won't avoid it. I really wanted to believe Paterno wasn't involved in the cover up, even with evidence to the contrary. I wanted to wait until there was something concrete to say otherwise. Even after the emails got leaked, I thought "just wait, they could be out of context." Today, my thoughts have changed. Paterno has done a lot of great things over the years. However, after 14 years of covering this up I feel duped by the one man who preached honor and ethics, meanwhile all the great things he has done are all for nothing. Who cares about a library, charity work, etc. when this was allowed to continue because they didn't contact the appropriate authorities and agencies? I knew otherwise in my mind when this started to break last year, but my fandom was clinging onto hope that a man of integrity did the right thing. He didn't and as a PSU fan and PA taxpayer, we are now on the hook for civil litigation. The victims deserve every dime they get. All if not 90 percent of it could have been avoided had the right thing been done at the right time.

On a side note, I would like to know why Tom Corbett (PA governor and AG at the time) hasn't really had to answer many questions about this case. He received 267,000 dollars from the 2nd Mile Foundation, only had one investigator on the case and had 5 for a government corruption scandal during the course of his campaign.

[Predicto]

Rightfully so, but I see a lot of drunken college students surrounding it trying to protect it.

These kids?