Not Knowing Starting QB

[bowhunter]

If Shanny and son were willing to stake their reputation on the Beck/Grossman thing, do we really want them making the decision on what to do with our #3 draft pick? Their judgement may well determine our long term future (or curse) at QB. I still want them around for year 3, but I admit to being disappointed. Regression is not a good trend.

[Son of Gadsden]

It really does appear that the Shanahan years are impossibly bad. Consider this:

Matthews/Wuerffel
182/329 55.3% 1970yards 6.0avg 14td 12int 72.11qbr (sacked 20 times)
Grossman/Beck
193/329 58.7% 2205yards 6.7avg 8td 15int 68.0qbr (sacked 27 times)

Wins:
Shanahan needs to win 3 more games to match the winning total of Spurrier and Zorn (each won 12 in two seasons).

Scoring:
We need to average 13.3 points per game over the last 7 games to have scored more than Zorn's offense did in two season.
We need to average 22.3 points per game over the last 7 games to score more than Spurrier's offense managed in two season.
We've average 12.3 ppg in the last 7 games. (ouch)

Shanahan's first two season may be the worst since Dan Snyder bought the skins in terms of offense and winning.

That tends to happen when you rebuild a franchise that has been dragged through the dirt for the past 10 years.

[Redskins4ever]

Mike Shanahan felt that Grossman gave the best chance for the Redskins to win. He threw some nice passes and made some decent reads. I was pleased with Hankerson's performance, having his 1st 100 yard reception game. But Shanahan was trying to deceive the Dolphins by going with Grossman over Beck, probably thinking that Miami had prepared to face Beck. But once word got out that Grossman was splitting reps with Beck in practice this past week, I'm sure the Dolphins studied for Grossman as well. You can't fault Mike Shanahan for trying.

[Bobbyst21]

Why are people so scared to start over around here? If what you're doing isn't working why prolong the inevitable? Its not like you would be getting rid of an offensive scheme or for that matter a defensive scheme that's producing. I'm not scared of change. I think Shanahan is trying to do it the old school way... which is noble but... it aint working. We need better players at the end of the day. I will grant you that. A primetime QB should be the first order of business. Shanny&Son staked their reputation on Grossman and Beck as legitimate NFL starters and as a result, I have absolutely no confidence in their player evaluation abilities at this point.

I been saying this for years now and I wont back off of my position on this because its the chink in our armour. The coaches son occupying arguably the most important position on the coaching staff will always be the elephant in the room as long as Shanny is here. He is never going to side with anyone against his son and he will never do anything that would jeopardize Baby Shanny's coaching prospects going forward. I just can't seem to get comfortable with that dynamic long term.

Let me ask you this? If we lose out and end up going 3 and 13, will you still believe in the Shannys? It aint about the win/loss record dude. The plan we currently have in place aint working. We have scored 1 TD in the last 3 games and that score came during garbage time against a prevent defense. Unbelievable... SMH (scratching my head)

I wasent expecting more than 4 wins this year so winning one less isnt as disheartening to me as it may be to you. Now the main reason i felt we would lose that many games is due to the choices that Shanny an Co. chose at QB. So i understand your feelings about the coach in that regard. And i dont like having Klye as our OC for the same reason you mentioned. Not because i think he's doing a terrible job but if he does end up being terrible his future is still safe as Mike will never fire his own son.
What i really wanna see is continuity. Give these guys a chance to fix what was neglected and broken for a decade before Shanny took over. There was really no offseason for the players this year so its kind of hard to count it outside of the draft choices they made. I still think we shouldve drafted Mallet. Especially as a 4th round pick. Least i think thats where NE drafted him. could be wrong....

[BADKCLARK]

Should have just stuck with Beck. At LEAST give him the experience. Saying he was keeping Beck out to essentially "protect" him was bad judgement.

And so Beck's story goes. I know there's a lot of haters out there, but it's obvious that this is a TEAM issue. Not just Beck or Grossman's issue. Beck has had the unfortunate career of only getting starts w/ truly sucky teams (07 Fins, and now this). No running game to speak of. OLine sucks, or is inconsistent at best, and WR's are a bunch of High Schoolers (or act like them, right, Gaffney?).

For a QB to be successful, they have to have talent around them. Grossman was "lucky" to be on a Bears team that had enough obvious talent to get away from some of his Grossman-like mistakes. Beck has had no such luck, and is not as far along in his career. I feel bad for the guy, and all the hate he gets due to such a small sample size of games he's played in or started. Look at the TEAM people. The TEAM has a lot of issues on offense. QB may be part of it, but if we didn't have all the players go down which did, it could be a much different season right now.

One thing Shanahan gets right, you have to have the talent around them to make them successful. Right now, there is no talent existing, or developed enough, to help these guys out. He tried to throw a change-up starting Grossman, and it back-fired. PERIOD.

And of course, even if Grossman "looks" better than Beck, his QBR is lower. With Beck in there, take away one interception, and you may have had a drive actually finish to win the game.

[JoeSkins]

And of course, even if Grossman "looks" better than Beck, his QBR is lower. With Beck in there, take away one interception, and you may have had a drive actually finish to win the game.

I agree with everything you said above this. While I've reached the point of cynicism and don't care much about who starts at QB (let's admit it, the results would be the same), there is absolutely merit to what you're saying. The QBR, however, is not something I put a lot of stock in. I know, I know, it's nit-picky, I just really don't like that stat personally, assuming you're talking about the ESPN brand's stat.

[CapnRedskins]

Mike Shanahan felt that Grossman gave the best chance for the Redskins to win. He threw some nice passes and made some decent reads. I was pleased with Hankerson's performance, having his 1st 100 yard reception game. But Shanahan was trying to deceive the Dolphins by going with Grossman over Beck, probably thinking that Miami had prepared to face Beck. But once word got out that Grossman was splitting reps with Beck in practice this past week, I'm sure the Dolphins studied for Grossman as well. You can't fault Mike Shanahan for trying.

I never said that I had a problem with Grossman starting or that he shouldn't start.

[BADKCLARK]

At the very least, and at the bottom of it all, Grossman has had success in this league. Maybe it's due to the team (Bears) he was on. Beck has had no such opportunity.

I just read thru some of Mike's post-game comments, and though I still feel bad for Beck, it seems that Mike has realized that with all the added up injuries, putting in a more experienced starter was the way to go. However, I don't like the idea of protecting Beck, considering he, to this date, has not had the opportunities to play w/ a SOLID team during his career. At least have him play, getting more reps w/ the team, looking toward next year. He's under contract for another year, so best see what you CAN get out of him with this depleted roster, and prep for next year. Grossman is gone after this year if they draft a QB. I would be extremely surprised to see Shanahan let Beck go, while he is under contract, and keep Grossman as a free agent.

Beck is still an unknown quantity as a result, IMO.

Call Grossman and Beck a wash, if you wish. The point is, neither (nor any Pro QB) will be successful w/ such crap surrounding them.

[JoeSkins]

Beck is still an unknown quantity as a result, IMO.

Call Grossman and Beck a wash, if you wish. The point is, neither (nor any Pro QB) will be successful w/ such crap surrounding them.

I agree with this. That's also the curse of rooting for the Skins it seems.

[Destino]

That tends to happen when you rebuild a franchise that has been dragged through the dirt for the past 10 years.

if that's what you want to tell yourself I won't stop you.