WSJ/ The Non-Green Jobs Boom

[AsburySkinsFan]

Why in the hell do any of you libs care about coal?
Before the election, everyone of you stated you wanted coal to die.
Well...you are getting your wish.

The coal industry isn't going to die, because steel mills etc will continue to use coal, what's more is most of the coal coming out of the ground right now is being shipped overseas. What is falling is coal as an energy source for power plants etc. What I have called for the coal industry to do for years is diversify into other energy related fields, but the reality is that most of the coal industry got complacent. They could have been leaders, but now they're playing catch up.

[zoony]

You're gonna do what you want to do anyway...no matter what's said...

You guys(Libs of this forum) said before the election that I was stupid for wanting us to keep coal until alternatives were found.

When I mentioned what will happen to jobs lost...rising electric bill costs etc...none of that mattered, coal needed to go...evil coal needed to go.

Now that NG is cleaner and taking off and pushing coal to the side, it needs to be saved.

Why?

And notice I said guys/libs..nowhere did I mention you by name. I swear..you guys are thin skinned...

I kind of figured.

[DieselPwr44]

I kind of figured.

You can step up and answer your pm's anytime big guy

[zoony]

You can step up and answer your pm's anytime big guy

Why would I want to have a private conversation with you? Now it's veiled threats from you. Nice, double threat guy. Ignorant and aggressive. Good for you. Either way your act is finished here. Looking at your user notes, we are sensing a definite pattern that you don't belong.

---------- Post added January-20th-2013 at 04:37 PM ----------

It is highly unlikely to be a practically limited resource from the latest science (abiotic)

it is also a resource that is naturally venting continuously, that said our efforts to prevent waste and limit simply flaring off far outstrip any others

allow export and the price will jump to reflect true value.....clueless leadership and no long term vision (green or otherwise)

Now that we are hopefully done with the kicking and screaming in this thread, I actually would be interested to see links to what you're talking about in your first sentence.

As for your last sentence, I kind of agree. But I think where we disagree is where you gave Bush (or potentially Romney) a pass in that area. If not, you sure were quiet about it at the time.

[twa]

Now that we are hopefully done with the kicking and screaming in this thread, I actually would be interested to see links to what you're talking about in your first sentence.

As for your last sentence, I kind of agree. But I think where we disagree is where you gave Bush (or potentially Romney) a pass in that area. If not, you sure were quiet about it at the time.

W did more for domestic energy (both carbon and renewable) than any president, despite the lack of recognition.....Romney I could barely tolerate(and said so)
The US is or will be the worlds largest producer of oil and NG,and reap the benefits (even Cali is gonna be dragged to the table by economics)

as to the other...check out my abiotic oil thread
http://www.naturalgas.org/overview/u...g_resource.asp

the extraterrestrial finds seem to confirm as do other sources
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1...00058/abstract

how's that peak oil working?

[Thiebear]

The Navajo code talkers care... the EPA will reduce them to blankets and welfare by the end of 2014. And some will rejoice.
You should have left it alone diesel, he roots for the republican destruction in one topic and fulfills it for the tailgate in another. Can't make eye contact....

[twa]

twa...for somebody that is in this industry.. you certainly have a high frequency of logical disconnects.

speaking of logical disconnects

http://www.weeklystandard.com/articl...as_695223.html
The Mother of All Solyndras
China’s solar power debacle.


But with all that product sitting around it is still a losing proposition since they can't find enough suckers to pay for it
you would think they would simply generate needed electricity there.

Know why this glut is not a solution to their OWN energy needs mcsluggo????

[twa]

Australia: The New Saudi Arabia?

http://thediplomat.com/pacific-money...-saudi-arabia/

Linc shares surged 24 percent after it told the Australian Securities Exchange (ASX) on January 23 that its shale oil assets in South Australia’s Arckaringa Basin had the potential to hold up to 233 billion barrels of oil equivalent (BOE) – an amount not incomparable to Saudi Arabia’s estimated oil reserves of 263 billion BOE.

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Rich in coal and gas, Australia is forecast by BP to overtake Qatar as the world’s largest supplier of liquefied natural gas by 2018. However, a U.S.-style shale revolution is still a distant prospect, according to Walter.

“We’re at the early stages of looking at these unconventional shales and deep coals and tight sands in Australia,” she said.

[twa]

Cheaper Natural Gas Lets Nucor Factory Rise Again on Bayou
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In 2004, steelmaker Nucor Corp. NUE -0.63% bought a plant next to alligator-infested Louisiana wetlands, took it apart and shipped it to Trinidad on ocean barges. This summer, after almost two years of construction, it will open the same type of plant at the same site at a cost of $750 million.

Why? Natural gas, which is critical to these Nucor plants, was cheap in Trinidad. Now, it is suddenly plentiful and relatively cheap in the U.S. due to hydraulic fracturing technology, or fracking, a process that has unlocked natural gas from massive shale formations, driving prices down. Fracking remains controversial due to concerns it could pollute underground water. The Environmental Protection Agency hasn’t yet ruled on the issue.

Lower-priced natural gas has energized many parts of the country and the economy. Chemical and fertilizer companies, which use gas as both a feedstock and energy source, say lower prices have reduced costs and made the U.S. a more competitive manufacturing location. Dow Chemical Co. DOW -6.96% and Chevron Phillips Chemical Company LLC have announced plans to build multibillion-dollar chemical plants in Texas, Louisiana and other states. Energy-intensive industries, such as glass and aluminum makers, can cut costs, while companies that make pipes and drills are benefiting from new domestic demand.

Abundant natural gas has also made certain processes, considered uneconomical a few years ago, now doable and profitable.

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“This is bigger than anything we’ve ever seen in the U.S.,” said Chuck Bradford, an analyst with Bradford Research Inc. “It’s a huge bet on gas.”

Others are making similar bets. Midrex Technologies Inc., which makes DRI furnaces, said two to three more plants are being planned in the U.S. U.S. Steel Corp. X +0.13% CEO John Surma said Tuesday the company was studying its options for building a DRI plant. “It’s possible we might have something to talk about this year,” he said.
http://loga.la/cheaper-natural-gas-l...B+LOGA+News%29

---------- Post added February-1st-2013 at 11:22 PM ----------

Yep, and it is hitting the coal industry incredibly hard, the partisans scream that it is about Obama's EPA stopping new coal plants, but that ignores the fact that existing factories etc have switched from coal to the MUCH cheaper gas.

NG is not cheaper than coal, it is however cleaner....and with the EPA's ever expanding limits ........

I swear some of ya'll are blind to what they are doing (but you will get a rude awakening on the power bills)

[twa]

Where's my popcorn??


Brown vs. Green: Clash of the Titans in California

Massive shale oil reserves could give California one of the biggest oil booms on Earth, but the uber-powerful California green lobby is gearing up for the fight of its life.
The stakes of the battle could be huge, reports the New York Times. Hundreds of thousands of high-paying jobs for Californians, versus environmental concerns about fracking, pipelines, and greenhouse gasses.
The Monterey Shale formation, stretching 1,750 square miles from southern to central California, constitutes two-thirds of the country’s total estimated shale oil reserves. That’s an estimated 15.4 billion barrels, or four times as much as the Bakken Shale reserves in North Dakota, whose exploitation can now be seen from space.
But the green lobby will prove a formidable opponent to the oil and gas companies jostling for a piece of this giant pie. It is already hard at work trying to keep California’s newly recoverable energy reserves in the ground: Two powerhouse lobbies are suing the Bureau of Land Management and the Department of Conservation to prevent further exploration of the Monterey Shale and impose stricter regulations on fracking....more @
http://blogs.the-american-interest.c...in-california/

[twa]

http://fuelfix.com/blog/2013/02/15/t...rd-pipe-plant/

Tenaris, an international company with 4,000 employees in the United States, announced Friday it will build a $1.5 billion pipe mill in Matagorda County to serve drillers in the Eagle Ford and other unconventional shale plays.

The plant, announced during a crowded press conference in Bay City attended by Gov. Rick Perry and dozens of area politicians and economic development officials, is scheduled to open in 2016. The company said it will produce 600,000 tons of tubular goods, primarily casing and tubing used in drilling.

Perry said the package included $6 million from Texas Enterprise Fund.

According to the announcement, the plant will employ 600 people in direct manufacturing jobs, at an average salary of $66,000.

“With this investment, we will strengthen our local production and service capabilities to address the growing demands of the energy industry,” German Cura, president of Tenaris’ North American division said in a statement.

[twa]

What it takes to get the latest tech coal plant approved (and the costs added to your bill)

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...8NL00F20121221



American Electric Power Co's Louisiana-based utility said its $1.8 billion Turk power plant in Hempstead County, Arkansas, has begun commercial operation, the nation's first ultra-supercritical coal-fired unit and one of the few coal plants currently being completed.

The 600-megawatt John W. Turk Jr. power plant is owned by Southwestern Electric Power Co (SWEPCO) and was built in about four years despite numerous legal challenges by local and environmental groups to stop the plant.

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Turk uses an advanced coal combustion technology that burns low-sulfur coal at higher temperatures, which requires less coal and produces fewer emissions, including carbon dioxide, than traditional pulverized coal plants, SWEPCO said.
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In late 2011, SWEPCO announced a broad settlement to end pending legal challenges to the plant's air and wastewater permits brought by the Sierra Club, the National Audubon Society and Audubon Arkansas.

SWEPCO agreed not to build more coal-fired generation within 30 miles of the Turk plant, to limit output at an older coal-plant in Texas, to build 400 megawatts of renewable generation, to test emissions from the plant, to contribute millions of dollars to The Nature Conservancy and the Arkansas Community Foundation and to pay the opponent's legal fees.

[twa]

The shale revolution is creating thousands of new millionaires from the billions being paid in royalties to private landowners

http://www.aei-ideas.org/2013/02/the...te-landowners/

In the first 11 months of last year, it’s possible that more than $15 billion of oil royalty checks were paid to landowners in the Lone Star State, which is more than $1 billion every month, and more than $40 million every day. A similar analysis shows that more than $5 billion in royalty payments were made over the same period last year to landowners in the state of North Dakota, America’s No. 2 oil-producing state – more than $14 million every day.

There’s been a lot of media (and blog) coverage on the oil booms in North Dakota and Texas, with a lot of attention on the jobs and businesses being created due to America’s shale energy revolution, but there hasn’t always been a lot of attention paid to the “staggering wealth” that is being created from the billions of dollars in royalties being paid to the fortunate landowners in oil and gas-producing states. The shale revolution has undoubtedly created thousands of new millionaires in Texas, North Dakota and Pennsylvania since the shale revolution started five years ago, and that’s another reason that the local economies in dozens of America’s oil and gas patches are booming. Welcome to America’s millionaire-creating energy miracle.

[twa]

Make the world a cleaner place and improve our economic situation at home

http://www.economist.com/news/leader...etteroutthanin


http://fuelfix.com/blog/2013/03/05/s...ains-vehicles/
Moving to establish itself as the leading U.S. provider of cutting edge fuel for trucks, trains and vessels, Royal Dutch Shell will announce plans Tuesday for two new plants it says will double the nation’s supply of liquefied natural gas.

The oil giant’s planned facilities in Louisiana and the Canadian province of Ontario will liquefy and supply natural gas to truck stops, railroads and waterways, according to materials reviewed in advance by the Houston Chronicle.

Shell did not disclose the cost of the projects, but said the effort is aimed at advancing the use of natural gas and becoming a dominant force in the emerging transportation market. Natural gas must be compressed or liquefied to be practical in mobile fuel tanks.

“We see LNG as tomorrow’s fuel available today and we want to be seen and act as the leader in this space,” said James Burns, Shell’s general manager overseeing its liquefied natural gas for transportation business.

[twa]

Good fracking news

http://news.yahoo.com/epa-methane-re...161201451.html

The Environmental Protection Agency has dramatically lowered its estimate of how much of a potent heat-trapping gas leaks during natural gas production, in a shift with major implications for a debate that has divided environmentalists: Does the recent boom in fracking help or hurt the fight against climate change?

Oil and gas drilling companies had pushed for the change, but there have been differing scientific estimates of the amount of methane that leaks from wells, pipelines and other facilities during production and delivery. Methane is the main component of natural gas.

The new EPA data is "kind of an earthquake" in the debate over drilling, said Michael Shellenberger, the president of the Breakthrough Institute, an environmental group based in Oakland, Calif. "This is great news for anybody concerned about the climate and strong proof that existing technologies can be deployed to reduce methane leaks."

The scope of the EPA's revision was vast. In a mid-April report on greenhouse emissions, the agency now says that tighter pollution controls instituted by the industry resulted in an average annual decrease of 41.6 million metric tons of methane emissions from 1990 through 2010, or more than 850 million metric tons overall. That's about a 20 percent reduction from previous estimates. The agency converts the methane emissions into their equivalent in carbon dioxide, following standard scientific practice.

The EPA revisions came even though natural gas production has grown by nearly 40 percent since 1990. The industry has boomed in recent years, thanks to a stunning expansion of drilling in previously untapped areas because of the use of hydraulic fracturing, or fracking, which injects sand, water and chemicals to break apart rock and free the gas inside.

Experts on both sides of the debate say the leaks can be controlled by fixes such as better gaskets, maintenance and monitoring. Such fixes are also thought to be cost-effective, since the industry ends up with more product to sell.

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"The methane 'leak' claim just got a lot more difficult for opponents" of natural gas, noted Steve Everley, with Energy In Depth, an industry-funded group.