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    Default Official ES Redskins vs Giants OC/DC Discussion Thread (Beware of the Hindsight Bias!)

    As part of the continual, mutual effort to upgrade the quality of the football discussion on this site, I will take this opportunity to warn fellow members (those not already aware of it) of the Hindsight Bias.

    When we grade decision makers whose decisions are in the public eye: politicians, businessmen, football coaches -- particularly offensive coordinators -- we are usually too harsh because the fact that we know the outcome of their decisions implants a bias in our minds that is hard to shake no matter how much we want to be fair. This is the Hindsight Bias.

    Hindsight bias, or alternatively the knew-it-all-along effect and creeping determinism, is the inclination to see events that have already occurred as being more predictable than they were before they took place. For more information click http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindsight_bias.

    Some really bad calls are made but never questioned because they had a good outcome. Many good calls are questioned because the play was executed poorly or the opponent simply outplayed our guys.

    What calls do you question in this game? Please explain.

    Where does Kyle stand with you right now? How about Jim Haslett?

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    Like I said in the game thread, I think today's game shows what this offense will do with consistency as we keep upgrading our pieces. Receivers are wide open, the running game has generally been picking up yards in chunks, and we look like a contender.

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    I saw a commitment to the running game today that I hadn't seen all season long. Not every run has to pick up big chunks to be successful. They did a great job setting up the pass.

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    Kyle's offense is going to be insanely good when it actually has top level talent.

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    Kyle is one of the best OCs and playcallers in the league. He can get a bit redundant at times but his play design and creativity is top notch. I'm very happy with him, just hope he doesn't leave.
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    Where are the people now, who where all for firing Kyle? *crickets* *crickets*...BTW, our coaching staff CLEARLY out coached the Giants staff today. And how does it feel to finally sweep them. When was the last time we done that?

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    Kyle was great today. I agree authentic no Kyle haters they must have forgot
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warhead36 View Post
    Kyle is one of the best OCs and playcallers in the league. He can get a bit redundant at times but his play design and creativity is top notch. I'm very happy with him, just hope he doesn't leave.
    Where is he going? He is coaching under his dad, and I think its pretty obvious that he came here with the idea of taking over for his dad once the ship has been fixed. IMO, we'll see Shanny Sr. for 3 more years, and then move into an office position while Kyle takes over as head coach. Just my 2 cents..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hubbs View Post
    Like I said in the game thread, I think today's game shows what this offense will do with consistency as we keep upgrading our pieces. Receivers are wide open, the running game has generally been picking up yards in chunks, and we look like a contender.
    I don't think the offense was consistent at all, a number of drives were bogged down by turnovers and not converting. This had the makings to be more of a blowout than it was if the offense was consistent.

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    Love the win...but I must be honest...no attack on OP - but an overall observation on the continual decline - When 52% of the thread titles on my Extremeskins Fourm start page begin w/ with "Official....blah blah.." and are authored by someone other than mods.....I log out.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsoe View Post
    I don't think the offense was consistent at all, a number of drives were bogged down by turnovers and not converting. This had the makings to be more of a blowout than it was if the offense was consistent.
    I said they'd do it with consistency when we have the right pieces.

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    Default Re: Official ES Redskins vs Giants OC/DC Discussion Thread (Beware of the Hindsight Bias!)

    Quote Originally Posted by Grumpy Vet View Post
    Love the win...but I must be honest...no attack on OP - but an overall observation on the continual decline - When 52% of the thread titles on my Extremeskins Fourm start page begin w/ with "Official....blah blah.." and are authored by someone other than mods.....I log out.
    If you haven't been paying attention, all of the positional game day discussion threads are started by members at the behest of the mods. It's not just some annoying, ego-driven thing (although that is sometimes the case with other "official" threads).
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    I am not in love with Rex but I am cooler about him than I was earlier in the season -- i don't mind him as a backup long run. If you upgrade at QB. And perhaps let Hankerson develop at WR, maybe add another guy. Can W. Smith play RT if not draft one. This draft thus far is looking very good. The free agency class for the most part ditto. One more off season like that, and I think this team might be good as soon as next season.

    I liked the play calling today, it was aggressive. For the most part I am cool with Kyle, with some exceptions like the Jets game where I thought he got away from the run. A lot of shifting and movement on the D line of late presnap which seems to confuse offenses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reaper 21 View Post
    Kyle was great today. I agree authentic no Kyle haters they must have forgot
    Kyle might just be the best young mind in the game,

    What would this offense look like with the talent of NY, Dallas, or PHL?

    I feel like Kyle's scheme could get me open.

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    I agree Hooper, you know i believe in this organization going forward
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