But, I think I was bothered some by the comic relief with the trolls and goblins. I would have hoped for the scenes with the trolls and goblin king to be scary and almost terrifying, I mean the group is straight ****ed until Gandalf saves the day both times, and the put in light hearted jokes?? But, I guess that is PJ appealing to children and keeping the movie pg13 maybe
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Last edited by JMS; December-17th-2012 at 12:33 PM.
Holy ****, use some spoiler tags!
IMO this is where Jackson ****s up the most. Look, I understand the supposed need for a foil - b/c it's a movie where the main villain (the dragon) probably won't show up for another 2 films....BUT Azog has a pretty awesome backstory that is radically changed - and not in a good way...they actually diminish him to be some sort of plot device...AND they had the potential to use the angle of his of his son Bolog who actually is in the Hobbit as the leader of the Goblins at the battle of 5 armies. Why not just use him?
If you're going to show backstory to setup Azog, why not show the whole thing? How Azog kills Thorins kin...the war is raged against the goblins Azog is beheaded and coins are shoved in his mouth? Not many more scenes needed for that...and a much cooler backstory of now his son being involved in the chase for the hobbit (as a movie device goes it's pretty good...Bolog's mention in the Hobbit feels a little tacked on at the end anyway).
It's frustrating b/c I know someone there knows what they're doing...b/c stuff like the White Council scene was an extra that was awesome. So how can they get that right while making Azog and Radagast, and the Goblin King completely one dimensional movie caricatures?
You have to remember that the Hobbit is a kid's book. The dramatic sweep and detail of LOTR is not something you are supposed to find in it.
I don't have a problem with Radagast. That's pretty much the type of character Tolkien wrote: someone who is more concerned with nature than civilization.
I have to admit the Goblin King got to me a bit. And then his anticlimactic death...
Now that I think about it, they semi-screwed up Gollum shrieking at Bilbo escaping.
""Thief, Thief, Thief! Baggins! We hates it, we hates it, we hates it forever!"
Tolkien had an ear for rhythm. And it's not like Andy Serkis isn't a gifted voice actor...
I'm hoping the Director's Cut is much better, which it was for LOTR.
I ninja'ized my previous post.
Jackson has a point, and an obvious advantage. When Tolkien wrote the Hobbit and completed it he had no idea he'd ever write a sequel. The stuff that makes up the Silmarillion was on his mind-but he didn't have LOTR events there. This accounts for the dramatic tonal difference in the written works-and Jackson seems to have had a unique opportunity to equate them. It's just the way he represents the villain which irks me to no end- for the reasons which I wrote above.
My point is...if you're gonna go epic with the Hobbit you ought to go all the way...and I feel like Jackson went about halfway and then in the process muddled it with sloppy execution of setup flashbacks.
Last edited by fwo40; December-17th-2012 at 12:48 PM.
I've heard Peter Jackson killed by critics for everything from 3d film, to the frame rate of the film he choose, to the story line mods... etc etc etc... I have to tell you I've read these books 40 years ago, loved them as a kid, and really looking forward to what Jackson does with the Hobbit in the up coming films. I'm a little miffed that he made 3 films of three hobbit only because now I have to wait 2 years to see the other two.
I don't care if he goes into a little more background than the book did to fill out his 3 movies. I'll judge him on how well I enjoy the movies. That's all I care about... As a Tolkien fan I've sat through some painful or at least not as well done animated adaptations of the literary works. Jackson's work thus far is first rate... I pretty much feel all of the critics of Jackson for the Hobbit are all sour grapes..
It's like a critic panning the original star wars as Davey Marlin Jones famously did.. Somehow they think if they pan a wildly successful movie it puts themselves above the people... In reality it makes them look stupid. If you don't kike the genera and pan the movie... get another job, cause all that means is the next time around most folks won't listen to you...
My special pet peeve is with the critics on NPR... cause they give away the movie... whenever they come on I reach for the radio dial.
Last edited by JMS; December-17th-2012 at 01:55 PM.
Jackson's visual style of LOTR and the Hobbit are very impressive and the acting is generally great, these things keep me coming back...but to me it's apparent through 4 movies that Jackon's adaptations are repeating dozens of similar patterns and generally have terrible pacing.
Last edited by fwo40; December-17th-2012 at 02:44 PM.
Overall I liked it. I thought it was better than the first LOTR movie. LOTR got better with each movie and I expect The Hobbit to do the same. Movie didn't seem that long and after getting what all they did in there and I can now easily see the next two movies being filled up well, plenty of material for two more.
Ninja: This one ends with the eagles rescuing them from the Orcs, so 2 will start with Beorn's house and Mirkwood and Elves and end not sure but my guess is with death of Smaug then 3 has aftermath, Gandalf dealing with Necromancer, 5 armies converging and battling (which should be amazing), aftermath and trip home
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It's in JMS blood to spoil movies and shows for people.
Something else that was mentioned that kinda pissed me off. Spoiler:
I also was like wtf when Thorin hugged Bilbo and said he was one of them now or whatever he said....Thorin was supposed to be a complete jackass to Bilbo and doubt him in every way until he is dying at the end
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Question... Was there a Necromancer in the Hobbit? Was the Goblin king giant guy?
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