The Hobbit (Teaser Trailer released)

[DeaconTheVillain]

FWIW, I am a huge fan of PJ. Also, I thought it was when Bilbo saves the dwarves from MIrkwood's spiders that he really gains their respect, but still not the respect of Thorin

[Elessar78]

Really? How did I do that here?[COLOR=Gold]

You didn't. I'm just busting your chops from the Game of Thrones thread. Good natured ribbing, hence the devilish horns. No offense intended.

[Skinz4Life12]

is this movie worth seeing if you were a fan of the LOTR trilogy or will it still be a let down?

Deacon, your sig FTW

[fwo40]

Really? How did I do that here?

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That's a perfect example of being too hard on Peter Jackson. As I remember the book undervaluing Bilbo by Thorin was a central theme which ran through the entire first half of that book. There was a turning point in the Hobbit where Bilbo came into his own and became a respected member of the team. Well before they ever get to the lonely mountain Bilbo is among the most respected and valued team members.

Question... Was there a Necromancer in the Hobbit? Was the Goblin king giant guy?

Spoiler: It's not the perfect example of being to hard on Peter Jackson, it's the perfect example of Peter Jackson ruining the stories with his pointless redundant foreshadowing. As I mentioned he did it with Aragorn and even Gollum in the LOTR films. Why do that? It isn't in the book - it has to be written into the film this way. Now if Thorin does say lines to the effect later that the world would be better off if more people were like Bilbo the impact is greatly lessened. It is true that the they change their opinions on Bilbo before the Mountain...but never really in an overt way...and when Thorin apologizes on his deathbed to Bilbo it's more for the business with Thorin being greedy after Smaug's defeat and the fallout with the Arkenstone.

However, Jackson has telegraphed all of this already by having a silly obvious scene in which Thorin already capitulates to Bilbo in an emotional manner. It's a waste of a moment.

The Necromancer was in the book...but he is only mentioned briefly and then nothing is expounded on specifically how he was dealt with etc....if I know my Peter Jackson I suspect he will try to tie in Azog and the battle of 5 armies...with what the Necromancer wants in some way. The Goblin King was also in the book....not quite as physically large as in the movie...but then again not such a (attempted) humorous one either.

[JMS]

You didn't. I'm just busting your chops from the Game of Thrones thread. Good natured ribbing, hence the devilish horns. No offense intended.

No offense taken, just feel I need a heightened awareness after the GoT thread.

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Spoiler: It's not the perfect example of being to hard on Peter Jackson, it's the perfect example of Peter Jackson ruining the stories with his pointless redundant foreshadowing. As I mentioned he did it with Aragorn and even Gollum in the LOTR films. Why do that?

In the lord of the rings I thought Tolkien did have various characters seemingly to have died but latter to have been found to be alive..

• Frodo got speared by the Troll only to have been saved by the Mitherial Shirt Bilbo left him..
• Gandolf the Grey, fell into the crevasse with the Balrog to seemingly die,, but comes back latter in the book reborn as Gandolf the white..
• I did think Aragorn was thought to have died on he plain before they reached Minoth Terith only to show up at the gates of the castle.
• I also think Golum's was assumed dead at several times during the journey to Moria.
• The Nasgul were all swept away by a giant flash flood as they attempted to enter rivendale, only to show up latter riding flying dinosaurs.

As for the Hobbit
they also had several characters who seemingly died only latter found not to have in the book. Bilbo's mithreal shirt leads to one such an event... As does Bilbo's discovery of his troop in the spider webs prior to being captured by the wood elves..... as does Bilbo's first meeting with Smog. . After a short discussion with Smog where Bilbo is taunting the dragon; the dragon lights up the treasure room in the hopes to burn the thief he can not see and who's smell he doesn't recognize. As I remember it the dwarfs believed initially Bilbo did not survive this encounter with Smog and are cursing themselves for sending him alone until he shows up unharmed..

[fwo40]

No offense taken, just feel I need a heightened awareness after the GoT thread.

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In the lord of the rings I thought Tolkien did have various characters seemingly to have died but latter to have been found to be alive..

• Frodo got speared by the Troll only to have been saved by the Mitherial Shirt Bilbo left him..
• Gandolf the Grey, fell into the crevasse with the Balrog to seemingly die,, but comes back latter in the book reborn as Gandolf the white..
• I did think Aragorn was thought to have died on he plain before they reached Minoth Terith only to show up at the gates of the castle.
• I also think Golum's was assumed dead at several times during the journey to Moria.
• The Nasgul were all swept away by a giant flash flood as they attempted to enter rivendale, only to show up latter riding flying dinosaurs.

As for the Hobbit
they also had several characters who seemingly died only latter found not to have in the book. Bilbo's mithreal shirt leads to one such an event... As does Bilbo's discovery of his troop in the spider webs prior to being captured by the wood elves..... as does Bilbo's first meeting with Smog. . After a short discussion with Smog where Bilbo is taunting the dragon; the dragon lights up the treasure room in the hopes to burn the thief he can not see and who's smell he doesn't recognize. As I remember it the dwarfs believed initially Bilbo did not survive this encounter with Smog and are cursing themselves for sending him alone until he shows up unharmed..

Yes exactly ...so why put MORE of those moments in there....when all they do is duplicate things that were written by Tolkien and take away from the importance of those surprises....expressly like Aragorn. It makes no sense and is sort of lazy drama writing that dilutes the product.

Also it's not as many as you have listed...almost immediately after the Nazgul are unhorsed by the flood Gandalf warns in Rivendell that they are not dead....the reader is never lead to believe they are. And of Bilbo's things- as the reader, we are "with" Bilbo most of the time so we are not lead to believe he is dead at any point. There's a difference between characters thinking something, and the audience being set up for something.

I'm just saying The Hobbit is an ok movie, certainly not markedly worse than LOTR, but not markedly better either. Peter Jackson has perfected (in most cases) the way these films look...but his plot devices (ie the elements he introduces from his own mind) are weak...and he is definitely recycling a lot of camera work.

[DCSaints_fan]

is this movie worth seeing if you were a fan of the LOTR trilogy or will it still be a let down?

Deacon, your sig FTW

Yes, if you liked the LOTR *and* liked the book (The Hobbit, that is), you should like Jackson's film. There seems to be three groups

1) People that didn't like LOTR movies or books (or never read them). They won't like The Hobbit
2) People that liked the LOTR books, but not the movies (the "hardcore" crowd). They probably won't like The Hobbit
3) People that liked the movies, but never read the books. They should like The Hobbit, though its feel is a bit different than LOTR ...

The Hobbit is a bit more light hearted then LOTR. The fate of the world does not hinge on the success of the quest and the orcs (goblins) are more comical than in LOTR (though they still show their evil side)

[Reic]

I have seen the movie twice, and enjoyed it. The 48fps is pretty awesome, as Ive seen it in 24 too and it just seemed blurry. Im not too picky when it comes to the story to book because every individual reader of the story will have a different representation, I just watch the movie as what it is.

I would recommend this movie for sure

[Coolio47]

Not to hijack this thread, but do you think that enemy in the new Star Trek is Khan?

Imo i dont think it will be. I could be wrong but i just feel like it's going to be garth of izar or gary mitchell. Call me crazy.

As for the hobbit, I thought it was really good. On my flight home for the holidays, my flight in o hare was delayed so i read the book all the way through while i waited lol. Was happy i did since i only read it once ages ago plus it was fresh in my mind when i saw the movie. Was interesting to see what they did and did not change.

[Skinsfan1311]

I'm a big fan of the books, and the LOTR movies.

We finally saw The Hobbit today. I really enjoyed it. If you didn't read the book, you'd probably hate it.

[AsburySkinsFan]

Just got back from seeing the Hobbit in 3D......awesome....that is all.

[DeaconTheVillain]

Let's settle this once and for all.

What is the difference between orc and goblin?

I was under the impression that goblins where the ones living in caves and who you see climbing up walls in Moria and also in the hobbit obviously in the goblin cave. These are different than orcs right? Or as I think I heard someone say before, orc is just the elvish word for goblin

[AsburySkinsFan]

Let's settle this once and for all.

What is the difference between orc and goblin?

I was under the impression that goblins where the ones living in caves and who you see climbing up walls in Moria and also in the hobbit obviously in the goblin cave. These are different than orcs right? Or as I think I heard someone say before, orc is just the elvish word for goblin

In Tolkein's world they are different. Moria was over-run by orcs.
A orc is to a goblin as an urukai is to an orc.
They are each a created species, the next one better than the last. Goblins are the smallest, orcs human sized, urukai larger than men.

[Major Harris]

It's Uruk-Hai.

[endzone_dave]

Question for the smart LoR folks:

Why is Gandalf so weak? I think the most powerful thing he did was light some pine cones on fire. Maybe I'm just used to seeing powerful wizards in video games.