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[War Paint]

do you really think the teams interested in rg3 will only be talking to the rams for the first time on draft day?

---------- Post added February-20th-2012 at 06:49 PM ----------



sorry, but in this specific situation, relationship means nothing. this will be an auction, plain and simple.

Do you honestly think good relationships have no benefit when making a business deal? Really? Yes there will be other teams that will contact the Rams, but if you don't think a friendship will result in better communication and idea exchange, I don't know what to tell you.

[SkinZ187]

Do you honestly think good relationships have no benefit when making a business deal? Really? Yes there will be other teams that will contact the Rams, but if you don't think a friendship will result in better communication and idea exchange, I don't know what to tell you.

im not debating against the fact that good relationships benefit making a business deal. i just think in this instance, it doesnt really matter. im sure we would both agree that it would be pretty naive to think that the mike and bruce havent already been in contact with fisher and the rams if they are seriously interested in acquiring rg3. and i would bet that fisher has already told mike that the rams are looking to get everything they possibly can out of that number 2 pick, if they do trade down. hell, if you had the oppurtunity to talk to mike and if he was being candid, mike himself would tell you that the fact that him and fisher "good friends" doesnt matter in this instance. sorry, but business is business. the rams are going to leave every door open to getting as much as POSSIBLE out of this #2 pick.

[DogofWar1]

of course you would think or agree with this .... anything that makes you believe the redskins will get him, you are willing to grab on to.

this "relationship" you speak of has nothing to do with anything and holds ZERO weight whatsoever. rg3 will go to the highest bidder. period. end of story.

---------- Post added February-20th-2012 at 06:25 PM ----------



this isnt how it would work.

if it was cleveland and washington bidding against each other - the bids would continue until someone drops out.

NOT fisher giving the redskins the "last" oppurtunity. if the redskins did give a last and final bid, the browns would for sure under any circumstance be givin an oppurtunity to beat that bid. its the rams front offices job to get everything they can. leaving an extra pick on the table just because fisher and mike are friends would make zero sense whatsoever. were not trading baseball cards here.

We're not going to be sure how the bidding war (assuming there is one) will go down until it happens, but a three-way conference call is only one way. If it's through multiple calls, especially if the talks start pre-draft and take place over many days, a good relationship will help to ensure consistent and clear communication throughout the bidding process.

I don't think St. Louis will give us a bro-discount and leave picks on the table, but again, if it's not a three-way conference call, we could get all sorts of things in terms of intelligence.

For example, if CLE lets slip that they're willing to offer their two 1sts and nothing more, under normal circumstances St. Louis might just tell us the pts of their picks and tell us to match, but with a decent relationship they might tell us CLE's plans in terms of how much they're willing to offer. Through that, we can tailor our plans better. A more relaxed, friendly coach might give up more information than a pure business one would. It's not a large advantage, but in the mind games that are the NFL draft, any tiny bit of information can be the difference between getting our guy and not.

It also insulates us somewhat from the games that get played with picks. Let's say that St. Louis wants to trade out, but also get Blackmon. That would normally exclude us from the proceedings, and would pretty much make CLE the only partner around (unless MINN got involved). A good relationship might mean they're willing to work harder to make a trade work, perhaps through offering a three-way trade with MINN and us, or something similar.


Also, on an entirely different tangent, has anyone ever done a really out of left-field play in terms of picks, offering say, a 1st, and then the team's 4th for the next 8 years, or something silly like that? Not that it's a good idea, and 4th rounders are usually only worth ~80ish pts, but a bunch of them add up and wouldn't be a huge tax on the draft. If you're certain that the guy is going to hit huge, why not throw a bunch of mid-round picks after a guy. I doubt it'd work in this case, but it'd be interesting to try some day.

[Mahons21]

If the Rams trade out of their 2nd overall pick it will be to the highest bidder, whether or not Shanny and Fisher are friends will have no impact on the deal. I can't believe what I'm reading. Come back down to Earth RG3 clan.

[terpskins10]

If the Rams trade out of their 2nd overall pick it will be to the highest bidder, whether or not Shanny and Fisher are friends will have no impact on the deal. I can't believe what I'm reading. Come back down to Earth RG3 clan.

I agree. Fisher is a new coach that's looking to get the best deal possible. We'll have to outbid the Browns if they are willing to trade up.

[SkinZ187]

We're not going to be sure how the bidding war (assuming there is one) will go down until it happens, but a three-way conference call is only one way. If it's through multiple calls, especially if the talks start pre-draft and take place over many days, a good relationship will help to ensure consistent and clear communication throughout the bidding process.

I don't think St. Louis will give us a bro-discount and leave picks on the table, but again, if it's not a three-way conference call, we could get all sorts of things in terms of intelligence.

For example, if CLE lets slip that they're willing to offer their two 1sts and nothing more, under normal circumstances St. Louis might just tell us the pts of their picks and tell us to match, but with a decent relationship they might tell us CLE's plans in terms of how much they're willing to offer. Through that, we can tailor our plans better. A more relaxed, friendly coach might give up more information than a pure business one would. It's not a large advantage, but in the mind games that are the NFL draft, any tiny bit of information can be the difference between getting our guy and not.

It also insulates us somewhat from the games that get played with picks. Let's say that St. Louis wants to trade out, but also get Blackmon. That would normally exclude us from the proceedings, and would pretty much make CLE the only partner around (unless MINN got involved). A good relationship might mean they're willing to work harder to make a trade work, perhaps through offering a three-way trade with MINN and us, or something similar.


Also, on an entirely different tangent, has anyone ever done a really out of left-field play in terms of picks, offering say, a 1st, and then the team's 4th for the next 8 years, or something silly like that? Not that it's a good idea, and 4th rounders are usually only worth ~80ish pts, but a bunch of them add up and wouldn't be a huge tax on the draft. If you're certain that the guy is going to hit huge, why not throw a bunch of mid-round picks after a guy. I doubt it'd work in this case, but it'd be interesting to try some day.

i see what your saying, but i think in this instance, the rams are going to do everything to promote bidding... and what i mean by promote, is the rams arent going to go to washington and say, for example "clevaland is offering xyz amount of points"... the rams are going to be totally forthcoming to both teams as to what the other team is offering. why could the rams want either team to be the least bit "foggy" as to what the other team is offering? the rams are going to want both teams know exactly what each other team is offering in the back and forth bidding, so that it is EASIER for each team to know what the exact package is that they need to put together so that they can beat their competitors last offer.

---------- Post added February-20th-2012 at 07:46 PM ----------

If the Rams trade out of their 2nd overall pick it will be to the highest bidder, whether or not Shanny and Fisher are friends will have no impact on the deal. I can't believe what I'm reading. Come back down to Earth RG3 clan.

thank you!

i dont mean this in any sort of disrespectful way to any other posters, but some of your views are so skewed on the way some of this works.... and i know its because some of you want rg3 here so bad, that it has alot of people pulling at straws and clinging to anything that supports the argument of why cleveland will not want him or wont get him.

[AKM311]

If the Rams trade out of their 2nd overall pick it will be to the highest bidder, whether or not Shanny and Fisher are friends will have no impact on the deal. I can't believe what I'm reading. Come back down to Earth RG3 clan.

Didn't Belichek trade Cassel for a 2nd to the Chiefs because of his relationship with Pioli, instead of taking the 1sts he was offered?

BTW...I don't think Shanny and Fisher are as close and probably doesn't affect the trade discussions much if at all. However, to say that a relationship doesnt affect business deals is probably the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard.

Not sure what line of work you are in, but in my business deals, its ALL about the relationship. I get deals that are more expensive than my competitors because of my relationship with them.

[SkinZ187]

Didn't Belichek trade Cassel for a 2nd to the Chiefs because of his relationship with Pioli, instead of taking the 1sts he was offered?

BTW...I don't think Shanny and Fisher are as close and probably doesn't affect the trade discussions much if at all. However, to say that a relationship doesnt affect business deals is probably the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard.

Not sure what line of work you are in, but in my business deals, its ALL about the relationship. I get deals that are more expensive than my competitors because of my relationship with them.

this is not the same type of thing. this is not a business deal where teams all put in a bid, and the rams decide on which bid to pick. this is an AUCTION. money talks - bull**** walks.

as to the line of work, not sure what business you are in, but my occupation has very much to do with this type of thing, sorta - lol (i deal with buying and selling oil and gas leases / mineral interests).

AKM311 - do u still want the bet? ... or was that just banter earlier - im okay with it either way.

[AKM311]

this is not the same type of thing. this is not a business deal where teams all put in a bid, and the rams decide on which bid to pick. this is an AUCTION.

and, are we betting or not?

Yea sure. PM me for the bet details. Sometimes my notifications work and sometimes they don't. Didn't see a repsonse.

As for this being an Auction....wouldn't you say the Cassel trade was an auction as well??

[SkinZ187]

Yea sure. PM me for the bet details. Sometimes my notifications work and sometimes they don't. Didn't see a repsonse.

As for this being an Auction....wouldn't you say the Cassel trade was an auction as well??

im not very familiar with how the cassel trade went down, so i have no comment or opinion on that matter. and whatever did happen, is irrelevant to this situation in my opinion.

as far as the bet, i would rather not do it through pm's. im not trying to pull anything on you. just a fun told ya so bet, lol. ive been a member here and an avid reader since 2002. im pretty familiar with alot of the members on here after reading here so much, and for so long. all we need is a long standing established member that is familiar with paypal to step up and act as the in between party. we each send him $100 to his paypal account, as a gift, and then after draft night, the member holding the $200 will send it to whoever wins the bets paypal address.

we wouldnt need to send it to him right away, as long as we agree on a cutoff time... for example - it need to be paid to an agreed upon inbetween party 72 hours before the start of the draft.

[AKM311]

im not very familiar with how the cassel trade went down, so i have no comment or opinion on that matter. and whatever did happen, is irrelevant to this situation in my opinion.

as far as the bet, i would rather not do it through pm's. im not trying to pull anything on you. just a fun told ya so bet, lol. ive been a member here and an avid reader since 2002. im pretty familiar with alot of the members on here after reading here so much, and for so long. all we need is a long standing established member that is familiar with paypal to step up and act as the in between party. we each send him $100 to his paypal account, as a gift, and then after draft night, the member holding the $200 will send it to whoever wins the bets paypal address.

we wouldnt need to send it to him right away, as long as we agree on a cutoff time... for example - it need to be paid to an agreed upon inbetween party 72 hours before the start of the draft.

Cool, let me know what member. Hopefully its someone we both know.

As for the Cassel situation, it was very similar.

The Pats franchised him in efforts to trade him. Pioli went to the Chiefs that year. NE was offered firsts by a couple of teams, but took the Chiefs high 2nd rounder instead.

It was similar in the sense he SHOULD have gone to the highest bidder. But the relationship was strong enough for the trade to be made on lesser competition.

The Rams can do whatever they want and accept any deal they want. Again, I stated before that I don't think Shanny and Fisher are that tight, but it has happened before in the NFL.

[PerryMason]

sorry, but in this specific situation, relationship means nothing. this will be an auction, plain and simple.

It's not always just an auction. Sometimes more picks offered doesn't = getting the pick. (See: us under Vinny trying to offer nearly our whole draft to get Mark Sanchez and not getting him - thank. god.). I know you think its all robotic and mx2 = y, but that's not how it always works. Relationships can and do matter. Will it here? We'll see but I say yes. You are entitled to think differently, but don't just crap on everyone else just cause they think differently than you.

[SkinZ187]

Cool, let me know what member. Hopefully its someone we both know.

As for the Cassel situation, it was very similar.

The Pats franchised him in efforts to trade him. Pioli went to the Chiefs that year. NE was offered firsts by a couple of teams, but took the Chiefs high 2nd rounder instead.

It was similar in the sense he SHOULD have gone to the highest bidder. But the relationship was strong enough for the trade to be made on lesser competition.

The Rams can do whatever they want and accept any deal they want. Again, I stated before that I don't think Shanny and Fisher are that tight, but it has happened before in the NFL.

i dont have a particular member in mind - hopefully one of the long timers that is familiar with paypal will volunteer to assist us. it would obviously have to be someone we are both comfortable sending $100 to. there are many of them that would work, i just dont know of which ones that have a paypal account and are familiar with how paypal works. its a very simple process to anyone that knows how sending money through paypal as a gift works.

---------- Post added February-20th-2012 at 08:32 PM ----------

It's not always just an auction. Sometimes more picks offered doesn't = getting the pick. (See: us under Vinny trying to offer nearly our whole draft to get Mark Sanchez and not getting him - thank. god.). I know you think its all robotic and mx2 = y, but that's not how it always works. Relationships can and do matter. Will it here? We'll see but I say yes. You are entitled to think differently, but don't just crap on everyone else just cause they think differently than you.

im not crapping on anyone who thinks differently... we all have our opinions. and i have stated mine. i apologize if you think that im stating my opinion as fact - it is merely my opinion.

fisher is going to take whatever deal most greatly benefits the rams (any relationships he has with either teams front office irrelevant) - regardless of who the deal is from. that is my opinion, simply put.

[PerryMason]

(i deal with buying and selling oil and gas leases / mineral interests).

NO WONDER!!! You deal in the most cutthroat, anti-relationship business there is. My brother is a district landman as well, i now understand why you are saying what you are. But the NFL isn't quite the same brother. The Cassel deal is a good example of that like AKM stated, as well as others...relationships are a vital part of this league. Look at the in-house hire, nepotistic, back room deal way of the NFL and you'll see what we're talking about. It's MILES different than oil and gas (that is not to say there isn't cutthroat people in the NFL offices, just that relationships have always been a big part of working deals in the NFL).

---------- Post added February-20th-2012 at 02:36 PM ----------

i dont have a particular member in mind - hopefully one of the long timers that is familiar with paypal will volunteer to assist us. it would obviously have to be someone we are both comfortable sending $100 to. there are many of them that would work, i just dont know of which ones that have a paypal account and are familiar with how paypal works. its a very simple process to anyone that knows how sending money through paypal as a gift works.

---------- Post added February-20th-2012 at 08:32 PM ----------



im not crapping on anyone who thinks differently... we all have our opinions. and i have stated mine. i apologize if you think that im stating my opinion as fact - it is merely my opinion.

fisher is going to take whatever deal most greatly benefits the rams (any relationships he has with either teams front office irrelevant) - regardless of who the deal is from. that is my opinion, simply put.

OK rock on, I respect that. We'll see what happens here pretty soon anyway. Hopefully we all end up happy.

[GWinSkins83]

Yes he said that he believes in tailoring your offense to what your QB is best at, etc. A couple of things though. First, Kyle is the OC, though he has also said the same sort of thing as far as adjusting the offense for the QB in question. Second, there is a difference between being flexible in your offense when it comes to your QB's strengths/weaknesses and being flexible about QB fundamentals when you're running a dropback rhythm passing game. You may not believe it is important how he does it, but I think you would be hard pressed to find NFL coaches who agree with you. Guys like Peyton, Brees, Rodgers and Brady have all talked about how much they, even after being established for some time in their careers, still work a ton on fundamentals and footwork.

As far as Griffin is concerned, I think he will likely be fine because he is a hard worker. But being smart, a top notch athlete, and a hard worker doesn't mean he will suddenly pick it up right away. It takes tons and tons of reps and practice to build the muscle memory for the footwork of various drops from under center to the point where it is second nature and it is done without thinking. It isn't something a coach tells you how to do, you do it a few times, then you're good to go. So I disagree with you about it being "the easiest thing to learn". It is easy to understand. But it takes time and lots of work to get it down.

Look dropping back is not all that hard like for really give me 2 or 3 weeks 3 to 4 hours and I can LOOK like one of the best QB ever if I get them reps. Seriously though dude was great at jumping 3 foot objects at full speed if dont think it would take him long to figure it out.