ESPN: Robert Griffin III is a Washington Redskin (Merged-- The Everything RG3 Thread- Mocks,News, Rumors etc MET)

[SkinZ187]

NO WONDER!!! You deal in the most cutthroat, anti-relationship business there is. My brother is a district landman as well, i now understand why you are saying what you are. But the NFL isn't quite the same brother. The Cassel deal is a good example of that like AKM stated, as well as others...relationships are a vital part of this league. Look at the in-house hire, nepotistic, back room deal way of the NFL and you'll see what we're talking about. It's MILES different than oil and gas (that is not to say there isn't cutthroat people in the NFL offices, just that relationships have always been a big part of working deals in the NFL).

my point still stands -

fisher, in no way shape or form, is going to accept less in compensation for the rams because of a prior friendship or relationship. call my point of view what you will, but i will never believe differently.

the fact that you have actually convinced yourself that this so called "relationship" actually will matter in this negotiation, and some of your prior posts, just leads me to believe that you are pretty much 100% sure that rg3 will be a redskin. if anyone suggests otherwise, your not having it. rg3 is a redskin.

go read this thread

http://www.extremeskins.com/showthre...art-right-away

you would think after reading through this, that we already have rg3.


Come draft day, one of us is going to be able to say "i told you so". i hope its you.

[Hitman21ST]

RG3 changed his pro day so as to avoid any conflict with Luck:

Former Baylor quarterback Robert Griffin III has moved his NFL pro day up one day to March 21, avoiding a conflict with fellow top quarterback prospect Andrew Luck.

[BeefJerky]

my point still stands -

fisher, in no way shape or form, is going to accept less in compensation for the rams because of a prior friendship or relationship. call my point of view what you will, but i will never believe differently.

the fact that you have actually convinced yourself that this so called "relationship" actually will matter in this negotiation, and some of your prior posts, just leads me to believe that you are pretty much 100% sure that rg3 will be a redskin. if anyone suggests otherwise, your not having it. rg3 is a redskin.

go read this thread

http://www.extremeskins.com/showthre...art-right-away

you would think after reading through this, that we already have rg3.


Come draft day, one of us is going to be able to say "i told you so". i hope its you.

While I agree Fisher won't accept less compensation, I think he will give us a chance to match whatever offers come his way. The draft cant get here quick enough, That much is certain.

[ArmchairRedskin]

Anybody else see NFL Live where they had Griff talking to Kiper on the phone about his big board? Griff does not like the fact that he's 6th on Kiper's big board and he told Kiper as much. There was no playing around at all about it. He was also grilling Kiper about why he had Luck above him. Pretty funny to hear a prospect take Kiper to task directly about his ranking.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Anybody else see NFL Live where they had Griff talking to Kiper on the phone about his big board? Griff does not like the fact that he's 6th on Kiper's big board and he told Kiper as much. There was no playing around at all about it. He was also grilling Kiper about why he had Luck above him. Pretty funny to hear a prospect take Kiper to task directly about his ranking.

I heard it and loved it. The guy has some serious cajones, which you want in a QB

[Hitman21ST]

Anybody else see NFL Live where they had Griff talking to Kiper on the phone about his big board? Griff does not like the fact that he's 6th on Kiper's big board and he told Kiper as much. There was no playing around at all about it. He was also grilling Kiper about why he had Luck above him. Pretty funny to hear a prospect take Kiper to task directly about his ranking.

How did Mel respond?

[ArmchairRedskin]

How did Mel respond?

He didn't really respond to the 6th overall thing, but he did go over his usual spiel about Luck. How Luck has the highest grade since Elway. He didn't really answer why he had Luck above Griff specifically, though.

[SkinsHokieFan]

He didn't really respond to the 6th overall thing, but he did go over his usual spiel about Luck. How Luck has the highest grade since Elway. He didn't really answer why he had Luck above Griff specifically, though.

Yea it was a very vauge answer from Mel.

[Mahons21]

Didn't Belichek trade Cassel for a 2nd to the Chiefs because of his relationship with Pioli, instead of taking the 1sts he was offered?

Ya if you believe Mortensens "anonymous source," like I said come back down to the real world clan RG3.

http://www.cbssports.com/columns/sto...oesnt-have-one

BTW...I don't think Shanny and Fisher are as close and probably doesn't affect the trade discussions much if at all. However, to say that a relationship doesnt affect business deals is probably the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard.

Where did I say that? Furthermore, comparing the "business world" to the NFL market is not exactly an apples to apples comparison.

Not sure what line of work you are in, but in my business deals, its ALL about the relationship. I get deals that are more expensive than my competitors because of my relationship with them.

Again, the business world and the NFL market are not the same.

Relationships are important in the business world for a few reasons; first and foremost customer service, if someone you're already working with appreciates your service they're less likely to switch to a competitor, in addition to that relationships foster trust, if a Client has more trust in you than a competitor than they'll likely stay with you despite cheaper prices from a competitor.

This simply doesn't apply in the MS and Fisher situation.


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While I agree Fisher won't accept less compensation, I think he will give us a chance to match whatever offers come his way. The draft cant get here quick enough, That much is certain.

How do you match someone who has a higher draft pick than you?

Where has basic logic gone?

[mistertim]

Anybody else see NFL Live where they had Griff talking to Kiper on the phone about his big board? Griff does not like the fact that he's 6th on Kiper's big board and he told Kiper as much. There was no playing around at all about it. He was also grilling Kiper about why he had Luck above him. Pretty funny to hear a prospect take Kiper to task directly about his ranking.

Did Griffin make a specific case for why he should be ranked above Luck? Or was it more of a "I don't like being ranked behind Luck" general complaint?

[s0crates]

Here is a list of all the quarterbacks who have ever won the Heisman:

1938 Davey O'Brien
1943 Angelo Bertelli
1944 Les Horvath
1947 Johnny Lujack
1956 Paul Hornung
1962 Terry Baker
1963 Roger Staubach
1966 Steve Spurrier
1967 Gary Beban
1970 Jim Plunkett
1971 Pat Sullivan
1984 Doug Flutie
1986 Vinny Testaverde
1989 Andre Ware
1990 Ty Detmer
1992 Gino Torretta
1993 Charlie Ward
1996 Danny Wuerffel
2000 Chris Weinke
2001 Eric Crouch
2002 Carson Palmer
2003 Jason White
2004 Matt Leinart
2006 Troy Smith
2007 Tim Tebow
2008 Sam Bradford
2010 Cam Newton
2011 Robert Griffin III

That is 28 guys. Notice anything about them?

This is what I notice: Of those 28 guys, only 6 or 7 went on to have good pro careers, and only one or two went on to become elite players in the NFL.

There is no such thing as a sure thing. Just my

[Hitman21ST]

Here is a list of all the quarterbacks who have ever won the Heisman:

Of those 28 guys, only 6 or 7 went on to have good pro careers, and only one or two went on to become elite players in the NFL.

There is no such thing as a sure thing.

Just nitpicking, but Eric Crouch was drafted and switched to WR. He was never really tried at QB, so I'm not sure if you can really count him (or it could be the most damning of evidence).

The flip side of that coin is counting the number of non-heisman winning QBs who played in the NFL and seeing how many had good/elite pro careers. I'd be willing to guess that that percentage is similar, if not lower.

[RiggosMohawk]

Here is a list of all the quarterbacks who have ever won the Heisman:

...

That is 28 guys. Notice anything about them?

This is what I notice: Of those 28 guys, only 6 or 7 went on to have good pro careers, and only one or two went on to become elite players in the NFL.

There is no such thing as a sure thing. Just my

However, one thing I notice about this list - not alot of #1 picks on that list. Really not alot of high (top 5) picks either. Bradford, Newton, Palmer were all #1, and I wouldn't label any of them busts. Was Testaverde #1 back in the day? Too lazy to look it up

[Mahons21]

The flip side of that coin is counting the number of non-heisman winning QBs who played in the NFL and seeing how many had good/elite pro careers. I'd be willing to guess that that percentage is similar, if not lower.

This argument has been made time and again, on different scales, and it neglects a humongous factor and that is, opportunity.

For the most part, QBs drafted beyond the 2nd round, simply aren't going to have the opportunity to showcase their skills. And the few instances in which a young unproven QB drafted beyond the 2nd round has gotten the opportunity, it's usually due to injury, and not because they've shown the ability to beat out all other QBs on the team and earned the #1 spot. Perfect examples of this are Tom Brady and Matt Cassel.

It would be like comparing how many numbers you got at the dance with a guy that didn't even go to the dance. You have to factor in opportunity.

[s0crates]

I do not wish to perpetuate the myth that Heisman winners are somehow jinxed and rarely successful in the NFL. My point is simply that there are no sure things when drafting quarterbacks, even those considered the best in the NCAA.

Yes, some of them have worked out nicely. See: Newton, Bradford, Palmer, Staubach, Testaverde.

However, many of them were complete busts. See: Smith, Leinart, White, Weinke, Wuerrfel, Spurrier.

I thought it worth pointing out. It in no way shows that RG3 will bust, but I think it does show that drafting a player with a great NCAA track record is no guarantee of NFL success either.

Many seem sure RG3 will be a star, which may very will turn out to be the case, but I think there is substantial risk involved in picking him.