NYTs: Video Said to Show Marines Urinating on Taliban Corpses

[visionary]

I'm guessing you mean the Afghans who's families have not been killed,tortured and oppressed by the Taliban?
Pretty sure the ones that had their fathers castrated and their bodies strung up on lightpoles to rot are in the Meh camp.

I don't think it matters who it was done to. It isn't a good idea for the Muslim world to see us disrepecting dead muslims. (remember that to a Muslim respect for the dead is very important)
It isn't going to make a huge impact and get people to turn into terrorists, but it sure as hell doesn't do our reputation any good among people we might need the help of down the road.

[twa]

Muslim respect for the dead,maybe you are right...I've seen them keep pieces of jewish corpses for years to barter

[visionary]

I'm not ignoring anything. I have a zero tolerance for War. There are plenty of countries who don't get involved, have solid living life styles and do just fine. We should be leading that way.

Every country gets involved in wars, or pretty much every country to various degrees.
Sometimes it just isn't as visable.

[Champskins]

for those of you talking trash about my beloved Corps and my fellow brothers and sisters... remember why you're alive and breathing in this country. "Land of the Free, BECAUSE of the BRAVE!" Go back to being a liberal and thinking you're owed everything... and stop judging the overall becuase of a select few. And im sure these are the same people that cry over stereotyping, hypocrites.

[Prosperity]

for those of you talking trash about my beloved Corps and my fellow brothers and sisters... remember why you're alive and breathing in this country. "Land of the Free, BECAUSE of the BRAVE!" Go back to being a liberal and thinking you're owed everything... and stop judging the overall becuase of a select few. And im sure these are the same people that cry over stereotyping, hypocrites.

Aren't you crying over stereotyping right now? Though I didn't really notice any posts that stereotyped the marine corp, though some folks said something about snipers.

That seems awfully sensitive, no?

[visionary]

for those of you talking trash about my beloved Corps and my fellow brothers and sisters... remember why you're alive and breathing in this country. "Land of the Free, BECAUSE of the BRAVE!" Go back to being a liberal and thinking you're owed everything... and stop judging the overall becuase of a select few. And im sure these are the same people that cry over stereotyping, hypocrites.

I don't think anyone is trashing the marines or the military over this.
Some people have pointed out validly that this does not help matters over there and around the world.

[KAOSkins]

for those of you talking trash about my beloved Corps and my fellow brothers and sisters... remember why you're alive and breathing in this country. "Land of the Free, BECAUSE of the BRAVE!" Go back to being a liberal and thinking you're owed everything... and stop judging the overall becuase of a select few. And im sure these are the same people that cry over stereotyping, hypocrites.

You had me until the liberal bull****. You might follow your own advice about judging and such.

I appreciate every single member of our armed forces and I feel bad for the guys who were stupid enough to film this. They're going to catch hell from your beloved Corp. For being stupid not for being cowards.

[Popeman38]

Yup, all Afghans did that, right? All Afghans supported Bin Laden, especially the ones who may have joined the Taliban due to our accidental killing of civilians. Oh wait, you're just talking out of your ass.

Your scenario was quite hilarious. You equate a foreign army invading the US unprovoked to the US leading a coalition army in Afghanistan. The Taliban are not fighting a guerrilla war because we randomly invaded Afghanistan. The Taliban, by aiding Al Qaeda, was party to a terrorist attack on the US that killed 3k+ Americans, brought down the WTC in NYC, an punched a hole in the Pentagon. THAT is why we broke our foot off in Afghanistans ass, sir. Not just because we felt like occupying a country. We had good reason.

But like I said, other than those minute differences, your analogy is shockingly accurate.

[Jumbo]

for those of you talking trash about my beloved Corps and my fellow brothers and sisters... remember why you're alive and breathing in this country. "Land of the Free, BECAUSE of the BRAVE!" Go back to being a liberal and thinking you're owed everything... and stop judging the overall becuase of a select few. And im sure these are the same people that cry over stereotyping, hypocrites.

You're entitled to a temp ban for trolling based on certain comments/phrasing in this post---but everyone can call this just a warning. There are several people in the thread on both "sides" (which really aren't opposing "sides" at all, fundamentally, just different areas of concerns) who edged closer to the end of the rope, rule-wise, and so I'm telling ya'all, you can be as passionate as you want in any direction, but if you care about avoiding trouble with mods and losing posting privileges, you best make sure your phrasing is within the rules and if you ain't sure---go read them.

[Champskins]

Aren't you crying over stereotyping right now? Though I didn't really notice any posts that stereotyped the marine corp, though some folks said something about snipers.

That seems awfully sensitive, no?

awfully sensitive, no.... but when I read "dumb jarheads" and "Marines, keeping it classy" I tend to get a little offended. Is our country too sensitive, yes.... we didn't cut anyones head off on tape. And yes, these select few will catch hell.. but honestly, shouldnt be more than a slap on the wrist IMO...

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You're entitled to a temp ban for trolling based on certain comments/phrasing in this post---but everyone can call this just a warning. There are several people in the thread on both "sides" (which really aren't opposing "sides" at all, fundamentally, just different areas of concerns) who edged closer to the end of the rope, rule-wise, and so I'm telling ya'all you ca be as passionate as you want in any direction, but if you care about avoiding trouble with mods and losing posting privileges, you best make sure you're phrasing is within the rules and if you ain't sure---go read them.

My apologies... I try to keep it within the lines, usually pretty good about it

[Larry]

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[Jumbo]

My apologies... I try to keep it within the lines, usually pretty good about it

Thanks, and I know you are--that was one reason you just got a warning. Other stuff people say on this topic, from varying perspectives, counts with me too on a personal level, but that doesn't matter mod-wise.


This was just a good time to step in to try to help others avoid trouble.

[Champskins]

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I will eat my words on that one... my apologies to anyone I offended.

[Jumbo]

For this venue, Champskins has now given an admirable example of how you can get understandably heated (without going full retard) about a matter of real meaning to you, get your head back on straight quickly, and resolve the matter in excellent fashion. Would that this were more the norm.

Back to topic.

I carry much I see from both perspectives. Ideally, I demand a kind of humanistic idealism and military professionalism that controls such desires as these men had, even when the feelings are so easy to understand. I also know the feeling of being resentful and rebellious and even contemptuous at times of "taking the higher road" even as an individual or part of a group usually preach and follow it. So I think it was a dumb and unfortunate act, but I will only take the castigation so far and not ever think it's ok to turn it into a broad brush. And I find doing the same to people really upset by our troops engaging in such activities also a sorry-ass choice of behavior and reflecting lack of intelligent thought.

Someday I may write one my long and serious OPs (rare, for which we're all grateful) on a thread I have considered for years about the differences and complexity about our culturally deep and strong love/support/gratitude for our military and what I will call for now types of "excessive and not-always-sound" lionization of the same.

Though I am fairly well know by most here (who have been around for awhile) as someone with a life-long association in various roles with the military, and am very much in the "love/support" category, including to a degree of action that goes beyond most folks (no brag, just fact) I think it would be a very touchy topic.

People are people in every group, and the larger the group the more likely there are to be examples of socially abhorrent behaviors that become visible. And the more stressful and emotionally-charged the environment, the same is true.

My closing comment would be that as a group of its kind on the world stage, our military’s level of commitment to code and conduct, and its overall level of discipline and charitable/helpful actions while in performance of their duties in recent decades, gives us something to feel very good about in any reasonable and realistic appraisal. Also, in my view, we should avoid using pride in that appraisal to endorse ever "settling" for less than the best as our behavioral standard. For me that includes being very thoughtful as to how I defend our image against valid criticism (or even unjust attack) and resist even the appearance of "making excuses" for such, just as firmly as I might challenge anyone's comments who run too far, unjustly, in that direction.

[No_Pressure]

Did we aid a known terrorist in attacking the invading country and refusing to turn over the terror mastermind? Other than that, these scenarios are identical

Yes, in this HYPOTHETICAL (I figured I needed to bold, italicize, underline, and change the font color because you must not have seen it previously. If you simply didn't understand what the word means, the definition is "Of, relating to, or based on a hypothesis, Suppositional; uncertain, Conditional; contingent.") scenario, lets say Timothy McVeigh and his superfriends team of American terrorists consisting of Terry Nichols, the KKK, The Weathermen, The Black Liberation Army, and Ted Kaczynski banded together to for the Ameri-ban and decided to blow up another country's building in an attack. Lets also assume that it isn't that we're refusing to turn them in, we're not really sure who is and isn't allied with them, and the majority of our populace just wants to get on with their lives and doesn't know a huge amount about the resistance movement, though they are aware of their presence.

Post more facepalms, I think they add the greatest possible amount of substance to your posts.