President Barack Obama/Vice-President Joe Biden Re-elected to 2nd Term Thread

[JimboDaMan]

Exaggerated maybe

But

I think the coverage of Obama is biased favorably also......The question concerning "are you better off NOW?" should be asked and answered

That question never made much sense to me. My feeling has always been, "are you better off than you would have been under the other guy". For the upcoming election, it should be "are you better off re-electing, or going with the other guy". Under Bush as a for instance, his Presidency opened during a time of relative peace and stability and prosperity. It ended under a continuous terrorist threat with Wall Street plumeting, the economy in a shambles and the country struggling to disengage from Iraq and Afghanistan. We were certainly not better off, but I'm betting you preferred that to 4 or 8 years under President Gore or President Kerry.

[IHOPSkins]

....... My feeling has always been, "are you better off than you would have been under the other guy"......

Totally agree with this

Also at issue is how much can a person effect the present circumstances that were not his fault?....IE

You mention Bush having to deal with Terrorists as if the terrorist issue started with him....I would argue that CLINTON being lazy with prosecuting a war that had heated up under his administration was some of the Cause of the Bush issues....just like Obama blames (and continues to blame) the present economy on Bush.

But using Obamas promises and the conditions we have now.....there should be more critic from all sources for his inability to get things done.

[Larry]

I would argue that CLINTON being lazy with prosecuting a war that had heated up under his administration was some of the Cause of the Bush issues

Just pointing out:

Clinton created a special task force, within the CIA, tasked solely with gathering intel and monitoring Ossamma and al Qaeda.

W disbanded that unit. And created a special unit, outside the CIA, tasked with grabbing any intel they could find about Iraq, and sending that information to the White House before the CIA could check to see if the report was true, or even if it was possible..

Does that mean that Clinton was 100% completely blameless? Hardly.

(Heck. Does that mean that if W hadn't disbanded that unit, 9/11 wouldn't have happened? I certainly haven't seen any evidence of that. Not even any rumors or claims.)

(Heck. IMO? I don't blame anybody for 9/11. Well, nobody but the terrorists.)

[IHOPSkins]

.......Clinton created .....W disbanded......

And Hindsight is 20/20

After its all said and done Bush is getting heat for being TOO agressive......Clinton gets it for Not being aggressive enough

Out of those two choices.....Give you one guess as to which I prefer

Back to topic...Obama gets a pass

[mjah]

After its all said and done Bush is getting heat for being TOO agressive......Clinton gets it for Not being aggressive enough

Out of those two choices.....Give you one guess as to which I prefer

How about option (c): Vigilantly pursuing terrorists without resorting to such lunacy as claiming that torture should be an American value.

There is a useful middle ground that draws from the merits of each approach. There's no reason to act as if it has to be only one or the other.

[Buford]

How about option (c): Vigilantly pursuing terrorists without resorting to such lunacy as claiming that torture should be an American value.

There is a useful middle ground that draws from the merits of each approach. There's no reason to act as if it has to be only one or the other.

Well said....plus, in 2008 folks said this was going to be his weakest point. Not knowing when to step up, or step back. Judgment calls....etc etc. The way we've handled our role in Egypt, Bin Laden and Libya seems to be 3 for 3.

It also doesn't hurt to be compared to those running against you at the moment. For his smugness, or elitism, or whatever......it appears to a lot of others who genuinely seems to be undecided that he's the adult in the room at the moment. Not by his own doing of course. By the primary process that's going. That's one factor in why incumbents win a lot. You have to be Rick Santorum bad to get rolled as one.

[Rdskns2000]

Prepare for 4 more or for the world to end instead.

[skinsmarydu]

Prepare for 4 more or for the world to end instead.

Compared to everyone in the GOP primary, he IS the adult in the room.
He can't get anything done if Congress won't pass a bill. They've flipped on everything. Even when it comes to voting on bills they sponsor, if they think POTUS will sign it, they vote "no". (DADT). Repuplicans whine and moan about the stimulus, then stand there real pretty with the big checks when they came in for the photo op. They're nuts, and they know they have no chance. Hail.

[MattFancy]

I honestly don't think Obama loses this election. The GOP is just so far out in right field that most can't take them seriously.

[Jumbo]

At some point these guys will quit eating their own and start to attack their real opponent.

The top 5 ways Republicans will use Obama’s words against him

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/power-pl...112215786.html

A few weeks ago Spinners and Winners went through the top five things Mitt Romney has said that Democrats would use against him if he wins the Republican nomination. Now the flip side: The top five things from Barack Obama you can be sure Republicans will use over and over again in the fall campaign.

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[Park City Skins]

Apparently the President is working with Facebook to keep some members of the Right down.

[Buford]

Obama gains with women: Jobs, social issues help
By LAURIE KELLMAN and JENNIFER AGIESTA
Associated Press

WASHINGTON (AP) - It's looking like President Barack Obama may be back in the good graces of women.

His support dropped among this critical constituency just before the new year began and the presidential campaign got under way in earnest. But his standing with female voters is strengthening, polls show, as the economy improves and social issues, including birth control, become a bigger part of the nation's political discourse.

"Republicans are making a big mistake with this contraception talk, and I'm pretty sure that they are giving (the election) to Obama," says Patricia Speyerer, 87, of McComb, Miss., a GOP-leaning independent. "It's a stupid thing."

More from the link.

[greenspandan]

it's a stupid stance and it's costing them. both politically stupid and ethically stupid. to have a bunch of men harrumphing around about birth control? laughably moronic.

[JimboDaMan]

Also at issue is how much can a person effect the present circumstances that were not his fault?....IE

You mention Bush having to deal with Terrorists as if the terrorist issue started with him....I would argue that CLINTON being lazy with prosecuting a war that had heated up under his administration was some of the Cause of the Bush issues....just like Obama blames (and continues to blame) the present economy on Bush.

But using Obamas promises and the conditions we have now.....there should be more critic from all sources for his inability to get things done.

Sure, that's a legitimate viewpoint about Bush and terrorism. But I can point out Obama was handed an economy in chaos, financial system on the verge of collapse, manufacturing base crumbling, stock market plummeting and a deficit skyrocketing with two wars, entitlements greatly expanded and massive cuts eroded the tax base. Just like you point out issues Bush might have inherited from Clinton. I think we both agree that the question "are you better off now..." is too simplistic to be meaningful.

[Jumbo]

The SW continues it's competition with the "traditional south " as a most special region in certain political leanings.

O is going to have to face a reborn energy of birther-level nature in opposition to his 2nd term once the GOP nomineeis settled.

New Mexico town elects mayor who called Obama evil

http://news.yahoo.com/mexico-town-el...152327548.html

LOVIS, N.M. (AP) — A former New Mexico mayor who called President Barack Obama "the carnal manifestation of evil" and said Obama's election was part of a CIA conspiracy has been elected to his former job, according to unofficial results.

The Clovis News Journal reports (http://bit.ly/yRR7Uy ) that former Clovis mayor David Lansford won his old job back Tuesday by defeating Mayor Gayla Brumfield with almost 63 percent of the votes.

Lansford, 53, recently gained national attention after the newspaper reported his ties to a fringe religious and political group, ATLAH Media Network in New York. After threatening to withdraw from the race, Lansford later changed his mind and stayed in the race but said he felt disclosing his activities was unfair and would prompt others to label him "a whack job."

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