President Barack Obama/Vice-President Joe Biden Re-elected to 2nd Term Thread

[Spearfeather]

Click on the link to read the rest.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/1...ll-Has-NC-Tied

30% of African Americans in North Carolina age 18+ have already voted.

That's 440,941 voters - 30% of North Carolina's entire 1,480,769 person African American voting age population counted by the Census Bureau in 2010.

And so if we keep up at the pace we're going, another 440,000 African Americans in North Carolina will have voted by the end of the early voting period, bringing turnout up to about 60% of the North Carolina's total African American adult population.

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The GOP has a net advantage of more than 42,000 votes over Democrats compared to last time around, and Mitt Romney spokeswoman Rachel Adams points out that would more than erase the 14,177-vote victory by Obama last time around

Last time, Democratic turnout steadily dropped off as the early voting period wore on, while Republicans gained steam. That has happened again at a relatively similar rate.

Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2012/10/...#storylink=cpy

[brandymac27]

Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2012/10/...#storylink=cpy

And yet the irony of what you posted in the quote is the title itself:

"Both sides see what they want in early voting numbers"

Interesting you conveniently omitted this even though you attempted to counter it with your quoted post:

Through Saturday afternoon, 1,458,424 ballots had been cast, an uptick of more than 300,000 compared to this point in the last presidential election. Data released by the State Board of Elections on Friday show 49.7 percent of votes were cast by registered Democrats, 31.1 percent by Republicans, and the rest by unaffiliated voters and Libertarians. That amounts to more than 250,000 Democrats than Republicans already having cast ballots. It’s clear as a bell to political operatives on both sides.

Not to mention, the majority of minorities in NC tend to vote on election day, instead of early voting for whatever reason. Regardless, I think I'd feel better having more faith in the SBOE's numbers than Romney's spokeswoman.

[Thiebear]

I voted earlier today! I can see massive early voting with the Storm coming for the last week.
It might still be 2 million without power in 7 days.

Still don't understand how they can do a vote tally of early votes: thought it was illegal... guess early votes are different.

[Larry]

I voted earlier today! I can see massive early voting with the Storm coming for the last week.
It might still be 2 million without power in 7 days.

Still don't understand how they can do a vote tally of early votes: thought it was illegal...

Some other people have pointed out: They aren't saying who the early voters are voting for. They're saying how many of them are registered as Democrat, and so forth.

[chipwhich]

Chip, have you paid attention to anything in the last 6 years? Please use your own google key to find how states have restricted abortion clinics' being able to stay open due to particular rules of lighting, restroom accessibility, how big rooms are, and other crazy nonsense. In some states, they're down to one clinic, only open sporadically, and when an ultrasound gets ordered *by law*, when you're already paying for a night or two in a hotel because you have to drive so far, then be told you have to come back in two weeks for the results(another hotel stay), and then have to come back again to have your procedure done...and another hotel stay...for women who can't afford to have a child in the first place, THIS IS NUTS.
And pleeeeezzze, don't anyone say adoption is the answer. I'm adopted. I know it can be. But it can also be IMPOSSIBLE for a woman to give up what's grown inside her. Don't know that I could.
Hope I didn't go too far, there.

Sorry to have derailed the thread.

I am not anti abortion. I am not anti birth control, I feed it to my daughter every night I am not anti women, I live with 3, 2 daughters. I want my daughters to have every given right.

Abortion clinics have been closing since I was in high school in the 80's. They are constantly under the barrage of anti abortionists. I don't ever expect it to go away, and I expect more pharmaceutical options to continue to help alleviate it.

To me abortion is not even an issue for presidential elections. Why? It's not changing and the majority of society doesn't care for it to.

If you have kids, like I do I worry about them getting a job, getting health care, being able to save money to retire.

The majority of posters on this board don't even know if they will have health care for their entire lives, much less having the ability to retire. The least on my mind in raising my kids and hoping they have a successful and prosperous life is weather they can buy the pill, or a condom, or have an abortion. There are much greater concerns for our youth today.

/derail.

[Spearfeather]

And yet the irony of what you posted in the quote is the title itself:

"Both sides see what they want in early voting numbers"

Interesting you conveniently omitted this even though you attempted to counter it with your quoted post:



Not to mention, the majority of minorities in NC tend to vote on election day, instead of early voting for whatever reason. Regardless, I think I'd feel better having more faith in the SBOE's numbers than Romney's spokeswoman.

I guess youre saying that her pointing out that 42,000 is a larger number than 14,000, is faulty logic?

I think the article is trying to point out that the early numbers could mean something in the long run, or .... maybe not.

A majority of minorities tend to vote on election day?

Yes, I'm sure they do, and I'm sure that's true of everyone.

I didn't conveniently omit anything.

I " quoted " parts of the article that I thought were direct responses to the " quotes " I was " quoting."

[brandymac27]

I guess youre saying that her pointing out that 42,000 is a larger number than 14,000, is faulty logic?

I think the article is trying to point out that the early numbers could mean something in the long run, or .... maybe not.

A majority of minorities tend to vote on election day?

Yes, I'm sure they do, and I'm sure that's true of everyone.

I didn't conveniently omit anything.

I " quoted " parts of the article that I thought were direct responses to the " quotes " I was " quoting."

"I think the article is trying to point out that the early numbers could mean something in the long run, or .... maybe not."

If you would have just posted the above in response to the article you linked, I wouldn't have responded. It seemed you cherry picked what you wanted to out of the article to rebut the "quotes" you were "quoting", even though your "quotes" that you used to respond to the other "quotes" don't exactly tell the whole story.....now do they?

The point about minority voters voting primarily on election day that I was trying to make was that the GOP, even though they want to claim this "so called" lead that the SBOE isn't actually supporting here in NC, could be in for a surprise come election day, at least in NC when minorities will flock to the polls, and more than likely, vote for Obama.

Anyway....are you telling me you'll take the word of the Romney spokeswoman over the SBOE's numbers?

[Ellis]

[Spearfeather]

"I think the article is trying to point out that the early numbers could mean something in the long run, or .... maybe not."

If you would have just posted the above in response to the article you linked, I wouldn't have responded. It seemed you cherry picked what you wanted to out of the article to rebut the "quotes" you were "quoting", even though your "quotes" that you used to respond to the other "quotes" don't exactly tell the whole story.....now do they?

The point about minority voters voting primarily on election day that I was trying to make was that the GOP, even though they want to claim this "so called" lead that the SBOE isn't actually supporting here in NC, could be in for a surprise come election day, at least in NC when minorities will flock to the polls, and more than likely, vote for Obama.

Anyway....are you telling me you'll take the word of the Romney spokeswoman over the SBOE's numbers?

I'm not going to quote the entire article.

I don't think they or she, or I was disputing the lead. Just, what it will mean in the long run.


In 2008

Obama entered Election Day with a 267,000-vote advantage in early votes, and saw that whittled down 230,000 votes on that final day.

My quote from the article I posted was a response to the statement " if we just keep this rate up, we'll have this many votes," even though it appears that rate in fact, never continues.

Something else from the Kos also:

Dems have opened up an estimated 133,905-vote advantage on Romney. That's smaller than the 198,059-vote edge Obama had at this point in 2008

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[chipwhich]

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...95332816_n.jpg

http://www.buzzfeed.com/hunterschwar...a-is-fake-6zgv

But if you read it on the interwebz it's true

[brandymac27]

Spearfeather,

The bottom line is that whatever "you" or "she" meant as far as "long term implications" go doesn't really make sense- especially when comparing it to the 08 election (which is what she was doing in the N&O article) AND the one you just posted.

Do you see how crazy it is to use 08 as a comparison in these "leads" we're discussing considering that Obama won in 08? I could see using that info as some kind of "proof" if he had lost the election in 08...but he won. So what's the point you're actually trying to make?

[Spearfeather]

Spearfeather,

The bottom line is that whatever "you" or "she" meant as far as "long term implications" go doesn't really make sense- especially when comparing it to the 08 election (which is what she was doing in the N&O article) AND the one you just posted.

Do you see how crazy it is to use 08 as a comparison in these "leads" we're discussing considering that Obama won in 08? I could see using that info as some kind of "proof" if he had lost the election in 08...but he won. So what's the point you're actually trying to make?

So, let me get this straight.

When the Kos says this:

And so if we keep up at the pace we're going, another 440,000 African Americans in North Carolina will have voted by the end of the early voting period, bringing turnout up to about 60% of the North Carolina's total African American adult population.

That's fine.

But when they start doing this:

But how does this compare with 2008? Well, going back to the report of 10/4/2008, which is the closest match I could get, we see that Democrats had 45.39% of registered voters to 32.51% for the Republicans for an advantage of 12.88%. That Democratic advantage swelled to 13.8% by election day. So we are probably a little behind where we were in 2008, but we still have two full weeks before we can make a direct, apples-to-apples comparison with the first week in October from 2008.

They're crazy !

The Kos itself is comparing '08 numbers..

[brandymac27]

So, let me get this straight.

When the Kos says this:

That's fine.

But when they start doing this:

They're crazy !

The Kos itself is comparing '08 numbers..

You didn't quote from The Kos. I was talking specifically about the N&O article you were quoting from, and trying to point out that you didn't post all the relevant information. Not to mention, it just seems weird to me that Romney's spokeswoman would use data from 08 to try and prove some point, when the fact that Obama won in 08 kind of makes that data look like hog wash.

If Obama had lost in 08, then it would make more sense to me that she would use that info from the N&O article. But he didn't lose, so it's like she's grasping at straws to make her point.

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

I see your Kos and raise a Gallup(by way of Breitbart)
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...h-early-voters

Gallup tells me Romney is up seven-points, 52-45%, among those who have already voted, that's very big news.

I'll be glad when this circus act is over

So will I my man.

[twa]

I see your Kos and raise a Gallup(by way of Breitbart)
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...h-early-voters

Gallup tells me Romney is up seven-points, 52-45%, among those who have already voted, that's very big news.

I'll be glad when this circus act is over