President Barack Obama/Vice-President Joe Biden Re-elected to 2nd Term Thread

[brandymac27]

I always try to do my part.

[Hersh]

we already are using their share and money we borrow.....not a wise choice to waste money you don't have

but we can always take and borrow more I guess

This is what we should do:

“We as Republicans would be smart to tell our Democratic colleagues that we will eliminate deductions and apply the revenue to the deficit if you take on entitlements,” said (Lindsey) Graham. “But if we become the party that can’t compromise, in the view of the average person we’ll get punished.”

This is what we will get:

You want to know how unbending Speaker John Boehner is on tax increases?

He’s not willing to even consider hiking taxes on people making more than $1 million — something that’s been floated in the past as a possible compromise by members of both parties.

“We’re not raising taxes on small-business people,” Boehner told POLITICO during an interview in an Italian restaurant here. “Ernst and Young has made this clear: It’s going to cost our economy 700,000 jobs. Why in the world would we want to do that?”

[Monte51Coleman]

This is what we will get:

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Nate Silver ‏@fivethirtyeight


A few more polls to add. But Obama at 91% to win Electoral College based on today's data so far.

Nate Silver ‏@fivethirtyeight


There's been a pretty clear shift toward Obama in national polls. Based on most recent data, he may lead by 2-3% in popular vote.

[Hersh]

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If there was one guy I could ***** slap, it would be him.

[brandymac27]

If there was one guy I could ***** slap, it would be him.

Me too LOL

[MattFancy]

Still saying Obama ends up with 280+. Don't think this ends up being as close as some think.

[thebluefood]

Still saying Obama ends up with 280+. Don't think this ends up being as close as some think.

I'm beginning to agree with you, especially after looking at some of the data coming in from the absentee ballots and early voting in North Carolina.

If Obama carries this state again, and it's looking like he might, it's bedtime for bonzo for Romney's Presidential hopes.

[brandymac27]

it's bedtime for bonzo for Romney's Presidential hopes.

Hopefully, we'll never have to see this clown run again.

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Jon Ralston ‏@RalstonReports
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@chucktodd talking about how Romneyites still think NV in play, have to fight for it in case OH gone, but lead here may be insurmountable.

[Larry]

post #2645

In which Bang was advocating letting them die eventually.

(And I think he's just talking about coal. That's how this thing started. But it may have spread.)

You've said nothing to that portion of the subject, so what do you want to do?

What (I think) almost everybody else wants to do, too.

I think that getting energy from burning dead things is a "business plan" that has got to end. Soon.

I think it's guaranteed that 100 years from now, it will be a dead technology. That it will be on it's way out in 50 years.

That means that something will replace it. (Most likely, several somethings.)

I think that it would be Really Nice if those Somethings were Made in USA.

Ideally, they could do, for this country, what aviation has done for the last 50-75 years of American dominance.

(Realistically, that may not be possible. America doesn't have the advantages that we had, when we achieved a monopoly on aviation.)

But I at least want us to have a piece of it.

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And, I think that encouraging those new technologies is a legitimate function of government.

I think that government subsidies are valid, in rare occasions. I think the criteria include being a new, emerging technology. Something that is important to the entire country. Something that we know that we're going to need.

I think finding some new energy solutions fit those bills.

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you willing to pay for them?
as soon as they become reasonable fiscally it will happen.

I believe I mentioned his frequent assertion that subsidies should never be used, unless an industry doesn't need them?

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I hope we get to the point where solar panels are on top of all buildings starting with all the space on warehouses and shopping malls.

My gut feeling says that rooftop solar will never be economically viable. It's certainly an order of magnitude away from being viable, right now.

Now, what I think of as "high energy solar"? Where, instead of a square mile of solar collectors, you have a square mile of mirrors, concentrating all that light on one, single, collector?

To my gut, that looks a lot more viable.

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BTW, have I mentioned space colonization, lately?

[Bang]

In which Bang was advocating letting them die eventually.

(And I think he's just talking about coal. That's how this thing started. But it may have spread.)

right,, coal has to go asap. Its bad for the environment, destroys the landscape, bad for those who mine it, bad for those who burn it.. there's nothing so mutually exclusive as the term "clean Coal'... it is anything but.

Other fossil fuels must follow suit.. as technology is available to replace it effectively.
And I believe that if we invested our oil company subsidy money into finding these solutions, we could. (Even if oil companies find the way to do it.)
For that matter, i'm also for investing subsidy money into retraining coal workers into new careers. No sense in just cutting them off.. they're part of the circumstance.

Someone once mentioned on this site that we do a "Manhattan project" type deal,, in which we gather the best minds and let them work it out.
Not a bad idea. The future of our people can be better as a result.

~Bang

[Popeman38]

right,, coal has to go asap. Its bad for the environment, destroys the landscape, bad for those who mine it, bad for those who burn it.. there's nothing so mutually exclusive as the term "clean Coal'... it is anything but.

Other fossil fuels must follow suit.. as technology is available to replace it effectively.
And I believe that if we invested our oil company subsidy money into finding these solutions, we could. (Even if oil companies find the way to do it.)
For that matter, i'm also for investing subsidy money into retraining coal workers into new careers. No sense in just cutting them off.. they're part of the circumstance.

Someone once mentioned on this site that we do a "Manhattan project" type deal,, in which we gather the best minds and let them work it out.
Not a bad idea. The future of our people can be better as a result.

~Bang

Any politician that "kills" coal will cause that party to lose a large chunk of several states. Please explain what, exactly, job a WV 20 something is supposed to find to support his wife and kids in a state that is literally driven by coal. Obama's stance on coal already lost that state for him this year.

[Corcaigh]

For the undecideds...



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Well, for everyone really.

[alexey]

right,, coal has to go asap. Its bad for the environment, destroys the landscape, bad for those who mine it, bad for those who burn it.. there's nothing so mutually exclusive as the term "clean Coal'... it is anything but.

Other fossil fuels must follow suit.. as technology is available to replace it effectively.
And I believe that if we invested our oil company subsidy money into finding these solutions, we could. (Even if oil companies find the way to do it.)
For that matter, i'm also for investing subsidy money into retraining coal workers into new careers. No sense in just cutting them off.. they're part of the circumstance.

Someone once mentioned on this site that we do a "Manhattan project" type deal,, in which we gather the best minds and let them work it out.
Not a bad idea. The future of our people can be better as a result.

~Bang

ARPA-E was a great idea, started in 2009

Advanced Research Projects Agency-Energy is a United States government agency tasked with promoting and funding research and development of advanced energy technologies. It is modeled after the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARPA-E

This one looks promising... cheap grid-level storage could really boost competitiveness of alt energy.
http://gigaom.com/cleantech/bill-gat...-is-now-ambri/
http://gigaom.com/cleantech/liquid-m...olbert-report/

Sadoway had the idea to create a battery that used super low cost materials and he believed a battery based on liquid metal electrodes would be stable and scalable at an acceptably low cost for grid storage and renewable energy storage applications. A dirt cheap battery that could be used for the power grid could overcome the variable nature of clean power or the problem that the sun only shines and the wind only blows at certain times of day.

Sadoway met Bill Gates after the Microsoft-co-founder took an online class of his at MIT. Gates invested in the company, as did oil company Total, and venture capital firm Khosla Ventures; the Department of Energy’s high risk early stage ARPA-E program also gave Ambri a $6.9 million grant.