President Barack Obama/Vice-President Joe Biden Re-elected to 2nd Term Thread

[Bang]

Any politician that "kills" coal will cause that party to lose a large chunk of several states. Please explain what, exactly, job a WV 20 something is supposed to find to support his wife and kids in a state that is literally driven by coal. Obama's stance on coal already lost that state for him this year.

So, you're advocating the government prop them up?
How conservative.

Here's what I say that 20 something ought to do.
Make better choices. Don't have kids he can't afford. (You know, we hear people scream this all the time about the "moocher class".)
Move.

Learn a better living in an industry that isn't dying.
Educate and better himself.
Sell cars. sell insurance. Sell ice cream. Be proactive and find a way.

There's a ton of things he CAN do excpt hope that politicians will continue to bail his dumb ass out to buy his vote.
(Counting on government.. is this a conservative plank? i don't think so..)

I'd be more worried about the 40 or50-something in the same boat.

At 35 i had to change the course of my life due to circumstances i didn't have control over.

it's hard, but It isn't impossible.
I could have cried and asked for the government to prop me up, but i didn't. I took what little money I had and went to school.
And now, life is good, and i'm working in an industry that is shaping the future, not crying out from the past.

~Bang

[twa]

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And, I think that encouraging those new technologies is a legitimate function of government.

I think that government subsidies are valid, in rare occasions. I think the criteria include being a new, emerging technology. Something that is important to the entire country. Something that we know that we're going to need.

I think finding some new energy solutions fit those bills.

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I believe I mentioned his frequent assertion that subsidies should never be used, unless an industry doesn't need them?

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My gut feeling says that rooftop solar will never be economically viable. It's certainly an order of magnitude away from being viable, right now.

Now, what I think of as "high energy solar"? Where, instead of a square mile of solar collectors, you have a square mile of mirrors, concentrating all that light on one, single, collector?

To my gut, that looks a lot more viable.

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BTW, have I mentioned space colonization, lately?

I agree on encouraging new technology ,especially cost efficient ones that need help getting established,,,,sadly our policies encourage the opposite too many times

For instance I thought Ivanpah was possibly worthwhile,instead of a subsidized sea of Chinese solar panel crap


Bang....he doesn't want coal propped up....he just doesn't want them kneecapped as this administration plans
Tour a Chinese solar panel plant area and sing me that green tune

[LadySkinsFan]

Nate Silver now has Obama/Biden at 92% with 315 EC votes.

Can't wait to vote tomorrow!

[brandymac27]

Nate Silver now has Obama/Biden at 92% with 315 EC votes.

Can't wait to vote tomorrow!

Me either!

[Hersh]

Nate Silver now has Obama/Biden at 92% with 315 EC votes.

Can't wait to vote tomorrow!

That's not good. Don't want people thinking it's over so they don't vote.

[DallasCowboyFan156]

Well the first results are in. The tiny town of Dixville Knotch, New Hampshire has already cast and counted all 10 of their votes. It was a tie. 5-5

[Bang]

Bang....he doesn't want coal propped up....he just doesn't want them kneecapped as this administration plans

I should maybe clarify, coal isn't making any of my decision for me.. what i've written are just my thoughts on the matter based on the discussion we were having.
I'm all for letting people down easy.. I don't want to cut it off and immediately fire everyone,, this is why i said it needs to go asap.. as soon as possible.
Possible being the operative word. I don't think we should prop it up and prolong that any more thanis absolutely necessary to insure not only a better alternative, but also to not throw so many people out of work and onto welfare at once.
We must be more proactive to move forward and away from these fuels that are so bad for us in a great many ways.
And in that sentence, the operative word is "we".


When i first started posting on Tailgate, my main word was "unite"... i've pretty much given up on that.

But I sure wish we could. We've got a lot of problems that need work.

~Bang

[PeterMP]

I agree on encouraging new technology ,especially cost efficient ones that need help getting established,,,,sadly our policies encourage the opposite too many times

For instance I thought Ivanpah was possibly worthwhile,instead of a subsidized sea of Chinese solar panel crap

Bang....he doesn't want coal propped up....he just doesn't want them kneecapped as this administration plans
Tour a Chinese solar panel plant area and sing me that green tune

How much of the decrease in coal is tied to the rise of natural gas?

How much regulation are you willing to roll back to bring coal back?

Are we going to eliminate the Clean Air Act and bring back major acid rain problems?

At what costs?

Aren't net fossil fuel/energy jobs up in this country?

[Larry]

Well the first results are in. The tiny town of Dixville Knotch, New Hampshire has already cast and counted all 10 of their votes. It was a tie. 5-5

Does that mean we're going to have six more weeks of politics?

[RedskinsFan44]

Does that mean we're going to have six more weeks of politics?

Not necessarily: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2080800.html

Hart's Location Election Results 2012: Obama 23, Romney 9, Johnson 2

[JimboDaMan]

Not necessarily: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2080800.html

Hart's Location Election Results 2012: Obama 23, Romney 9, Johnson 2

FWIW, as of January Hart's Location had 6 Republicans, 12 Democrats, and 12 Independents. Assuming voters went with their affiliation, that means independents and unknowns went for Obama 9-3-2.

For whatever that's worth.

The Manchester Union Leader in generally conservative NH already has several snarling comments about "the dumbest people", "whining and snivelling", "Barack 'ain't yo money' Obama", etc. As a born New Englander I am shocked, shocked I tell you at this breach in the stoic Yankee demeanor.

edit: My voting experience this morning was exceptionally smooth. Arrived in the parking lot with my wife and daughter at 5:50AM. We were probably 50th in line. I went through my usual assessment of people in line, "good guy, bad guy, bad guy, good guy" . Voting began promptly at 6AM with the call "Polls are open!". I'm enough of a geek to get a kick out of knowing that exact same scenario was taking place at that exact moment in thousands of locations throughout the East.

Line moved quickly, I chose paper ballot as usual from an innate mistrust of the electronic no-artifact machines, ticked off my choices and a couple of state constitution changes and bond issues, and was back home in my driveway at 6:20AM. Just can't imagine the ineptitude and deliberate obfuscation in places like FL with 3-7 hour wait times. My sister-in-law in the Tampa burbs had less than 1-hour wait for early voting - but she had to drive 45 minutes to the polling place. Virginia/Loudoun County gets props for doing it right year after year.

[No Excuses]

Line moved quickly, I chose paper ballot as usual from an innate mistrust of the electronic no-artifact machines, ticked off my choices and a couple of state constitution changes and bond issues, and was back home in my driveway at 6:20AM. Just can't imagine the ineptitude and deliberate obfuscation in places like FL with 3-7 hour wait times. My sister-in-law in the Tampa burbs had less than 1-hour wait for early voting - but she had to drive 45 minutes to the polling place. Virginia/Loudoun County gets props for doing it right year after year.

FWIW it took me more than two hours to early vote in Loudon County on Saturday.

[ixcuincle]

Everyone get out there and vote clones

[JimboDaMan]

FWIW it took me more than two hours to early vote in Loudon County on Saturday.

My understanding is that Virginia does not have early voting as such. You can "absentee ballot" in person, but only if you state you will be unavailable on election day and I think they still require you to fill out the absentee ballot application before voting, don't they? Did that slow the process down some?

[No Excuses]

My understanding is that Virginia does not have early voting as such. You can "absentee ballot" in person, but only if you state you will be unavailable on election day and I think they still require you to fill out the absentee ballot application before voting, don't they? Did that slow the process down some?

You are right, it wasn't 'exactly' early voting, but absentee ballot you cast in person.

I'm not sure what the hold up was, but it was extremely slow. All we had to do was fill out a form and show some form of identification. Just the waiting after turning in the forms to be called up to go cast our ballot took 1 hour.