President Barack Obama/Vice-President Joe Biden Re-elected to 2nd Term Thread

[twa]

Strange that Rep governors are seeing jobs created,and if it was not for them the employment numbers would truly be abysmal

Choices MATTER
http://dailycaller.com/2012/06/14/re...han-democrats/
Republican governors and GOP-controlled state legislatures presided over 16 percent more job creation than their Democratic counterparts from January 2010 to April 2012, according to a Daily Caller analysis of Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) employment data.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/06/14/re...#ixzz20kvA9ZbO

[GSF]

So CNN said it so it's the truth

What percentage of Americans do you think have any clue how much the Bush tax cuts save them in their wallets. I don't want to be smug....honestly.

Americans aren't segregating their "tax cuts" into piles of envelopes for expenses, they are trying to get by. That concept is ludicrous.

Americans are trying to pay their bills with what they get in their paycheck and tax returns. They aren't saying, wait this is tax cut money, lets use it to pay down a credit card.

Actually when the tax cuts first came into existence, Americans were very aware of how much extra money they had. I know I knew exactly how much extra money I had. The Republicans were banking on this, and that people would pump that money back into the economy. It didn't happen. Of course now that 10 years have gone by, what you say is true, it doesn't feel like extra money anymore, but it sure did back then.

The CNN piece I'm talking about was with Fareed Zakaria. I think he's actually prettu fair. At least CNN will try to give both sides a chance to make their case, something that can't be said about Fox or MSNBC.

BTW, I'm not arguing that ending all of the Bush tax cuts now would fix the economy. My point was that the tax cuts are a big part of the reason why we're in so much debt.

[chipwhich]

BTW, I'm not arguing that ending all of the Bush tax cuts now would fix the economy. My point was that the tax cuts are a big part of the reason why we're in so much debt.

We are in debt for a lot of reasons, the tax policy isn't in the top 5.

[Hersh]

I get so tired of the excuse' it is someone elses fault'....It is called leadership,and if you can't do it you are toast.....and deservedly so

in a perfect world has never existed,nor a perfect people

This is an absolutely absurd statement. The Democrats passed a Republican idea of health care reform against the will of Republicans. Now, unless Obama does exactly what an uncompromising House wants to do, they won't pass anything the President wants. To suggest this is a Presidential leadership problem is a giant lie. One party and only one party has been uncompromising and has not wanted to work with this President on anything.

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We are in debt for a lot of reasons, the tax policy isn't in the top 5.

According to whom?

[GSF]

We are in debt for a lot of reasons, the tax policy isn't in the top 5.

Actually it's in the top 2, along with the wars of the 2000s.

[twa]

Hersh...leadership is getting people to do what needs done,not issuing orders

to suggest otherwise is what is absurd

[chipwhich]

According to whom?

Well if you have a recommendation of why we are in debt, please list your top 5 reasons

You blaming it on taxation?

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Actually it's in the top 2, along with the wars of the 2000s.

Well there you admitted it, you think our economy sucks because of our tax policy. Why did you deny it earlier?

[Hersh]

Hersh...leadership is getting people to do what needs done,not issuing orders

to suggest otherwise is what is absurd

So you are saying that President Obama should be able to get the House of Republicans to pass jobs bills and that nothing has been done because the President can't get Republicans on board? If so, you really have no understanding your party.

[GSF]

Hey Chipwhich, how about stop talking in circles and offer up some substance. I've said many times, I don't believe the tax cuts caused the economy to "suck" as you put it. I said the tax cuts are 1 of the big reasons why we are currently in debt. I'm not sure why you can't differentiate the 2.

You said the tax cuts were not in the top 5 reasons we are in debt. What are your top 5?

[twa]

If you can't get them on board you need to change the offering obviously

[Hersh]

Well if you have a recommendation of why we are in debt, please list your top 5 reasons

You blaming it on taxation?

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Well there you admitted it, you think our economy sucks because of our tax policy. Why did you deny it earlier?

No particular order.
1. Can't have guns and butter at the same time. Gotta pay for the guns and we didn't.
2. Not having a pay as you go system in congress. Example: didn't pay for Medicare Part D
3. The inability to address the costs of health care services.
4. The American Public
5. Sorta with number 1, defense spending

---------- Post added July-16th-2012 at 04:46 AM ----------

If you can't get them on board you need to change the offering obviously

So he should offer only exactly what they want? Maybe he can offer something along the lines he did in health care like an individual mandate. As I said earlier, that completely REPUBLICAN idea.

[GSF]

If you can't get them on board you need to change the offering obviously

I do believe you make a good point, however the republicans in congress made a vow from day 1 to do whatever it took to get Obama out of office. Many of Obama's offerings have often been to the right of what true liberals want. It doesn't matter what Obama offers up b/c The Reps aren't going to work with him on anything.

[chipwhich]

Hey Chipwhich, how about stop talking in circles and offer up some substance. I've said many times, I don't believe the tax cuts caused the economy to "suck" as you put it. I said the tax cuts are 1 of the big reasons why we are currently in debt. I'm not sure why you can't differentiate the 2.

You said the tax cuts were not in the top 5 reasons we are in debt. What are your top 5?

The wars
9/11
The housing crisis
The banking crisis
Unemployment

That's my top 5. Taxation isn't in them.

[GSF]

No particular order.
1. Can't have guns and butter at the same time. Gotta pay for the guns and we didn't.

Bingo! We have a winner. Goodnight guys. I will have to continue this debate another day.

---------- Post added July-16th-2012 at 04:52 AM ----------

The wars
9/11
The housing crisis
The banking crisis
Unemployment

That's my top 5. Taxation isn't in them.

That list better describes causes for recession, not our debt situation.

[chipwhich]

That list better describes causes for recession, not our debt situation.

same thing