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    Default Re: Per Adam Schefter & PFT: NFL Taking away millions of salary cap-space from Cowboys & Redskins for front-loading deals during uncapped year

    Quote Originally Posted by The Tris View Post
    The NFL, and 28 other teams response would be "those are 4-6 players the Redskins never should have even had the opportunity to sign, due to reckless spending in 2009."
    To which the response would be, "The risk was deemed acceptable since 2010 was UNCAPPED DUMB *****." (that's not aimed at you, but the owners)

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    Default Re: Per Adam Schefter & PFT: NFL Taking away millions of salary cap-space from Cowboys & Redskins for front-loading deals during uncapped year

    “@ZacBoyer: ESPN's Adam Schefter just said on SportsCenter the #Redskins found out about the salary cap ramifications this afternoon.”

    Either the FO is incompetent (would not mesh with everything else I have seen), or the league has at best terrible timing or at worst intentionally chose the most damaging time possible.
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    Default Re: Per Adam Schefter & PFT: NFL Taking away millions of salary cap-space from Cowboys & Redskins for front-loading deals during uncapped year

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    Could all the season ticket holders get together and do a class-action lawsuit?

    I'm still trying to wrap my brain around this one... But, there has to be some legal way to fight this.
    I don't know if the Redskins would fight it.

    It sounds like they and the Cowboys agreed to how this was worked out.
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    Default Re: Per Adam Schefter & PFT: NFL Taking away millions of salary cap-space from Cowboys & Redskins for front-loading deals during uncapped year

    Wait i don't recall us ever having 40+ million + in cap space. Numbers are just being thrown around, we had 31 million in november. How did we get an extra 17 million added??
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    Default Re: Per Adam Schefter & PFT: NFL Taking away millions of salary cap-space from Cowboys & Redskins for front-loading deals during uncapped year

    So according to CSN Washington (link), this was due to the contracts of Haynesworth and Hall. If true, this just makes those two signings even bigger of a joke than they already were. It also means that it was a Vinny/Snyder move and not Bruce Allen.
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    Default Re: Per Adam Schefter & PFT: NFL Taking away millions of salary cap-space from Cowboys & Redskins for front-loading deals during uncapped year

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigkobe81 View Post
    Wait i don't recall us ever having 40+ million + in cap space. Numbers are just being thrown around, we had 31 million in november. How did we get an extra 17 million added??
    Because it's no longer 2011, contracts expired, and the salary cap went up some.
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    Default Re: Per Adam Schefter & PFT: NFL Taking away millions of salary cap-space from Cowboys & Redskins for front-loading deals during uncapped year

    The union agreed to the resolution reluctantly, the person said. Union officials believe that neither team did anything wrong or attempted to circumvent the salary cap. But the union acquiesced to the decision because the league would have lowered the salary cap for all 32 teams if it did not.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...html#pagebreak


    Doesn't seem right.

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    Default Re: Per Adam Schefter & PFT: NFL Taking away millions of salary cap-space from Cowboys & Redskins for front-loading deals during uncapped year

    Quote Originally Posted by DexterSackMachine View Post
    So according to CSN Washington (link), this was due to the contracts of Haynesworth and Hall. If true, this just makes those two signings even bigger of a joke than they already were. It also means that it was a Vinny/Snyder move and not George Allen.
    George?
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    Default Re: Per Adam Schefter & PFT: NFL Taking away millions of salary cap-space from Cowboys & Redskins for front-loading deals during uncapped year

    Quote Originally Posted by The Tris View Post
    “@ZacBoyer: ESPN's Adam Schefter just said on SportsCenter the #Redskins found out about the salary cap ramifications this afternoon.”
    I find that hard to believe (not that Schefter said it - but what he said).
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    Default Re: Per Adam Schefter & PFT: NFL Taking away millions of salary cap-space from Cowboys & Redskins for front-loading deals during uncapped year

    Quote Originally Posted by hunterx View Post
    Can we get an unbias opinion? Stop being homers. They reworked contracts, cut and moved players to unload cap space. The NFL told teams that just because it wasn't an uncapped year, they were not to do these things to load up for future years.
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    Default Re: Per Adam Schefter & PFT: NFL Taking away millions of salary cap-space from Cowboys & Redskins for front-loading deals during uncapped year

    Quote Originally Posted by Truant View Post
    The union agreed to the resolution reluctantly, the person said. Union officials believe that neither team did anything wrong or attempted to circumvent the salary cap. But the union acquiesced to the decision because the league would have lowered the salary cap for all 32 teams if it did not.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...html#pagebreak


    Doesn't seem right.
    Oh man. That's pretty damning for the league. It's looking like it's selective who they punished. They wanted to make a splash and punished two of the NFL's richest franchises.

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    Default Re: Per Adam Schefter & PFT: NFL Taking away millions of salary cap-space from Cowboys & Redskins for front-loading deals during uncapped year

    Quote Originally Posted by SkinsGuy View Post
    George?
    Ooops! Yeah, I'm pretty sure he had nothing to do with it....
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    Default Re: Per Adam Schefter & PFT: NFL Taking away millions of salary cap-space from Cowboys & Redskins for front-loading deals during uncapped year

    This sounds more like a large group of angered owners sending a message. I doubt Goodell was behind this.
    You're right but it smells really bad none the less. This has nothing to do with competitive balance moving forward, it is all about penalizing us for spending like only vinny/danny boy could in years past.

    It just seems petty to a fan like me that the NFL forced owners/unions to choose between a lower cap for everyone or a penalty for 2 teams because they took advantage of a loophole everyone could and should have.

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    Default Re: Per Adam Schefter & PFT: NFL Taking away millions of salary cap-space from Cowboys & Redskins for front-loading deals during uncapped year

    So let's say there's nothing that can be done and we lose this 36M. Let's furthermore say that we split it 18M and 18M per year, and for the ease of number crunching that the cap in 2013 does not increase from this year.

    I'm no cap pro so I'm asking here: would we essentially be signing all of our players/new FA acquisitions on a 102M budget for this year and the following? Assuming this is the case, doesn't that sort of "force" us into some "fiscal responsibility" for now, and then in 2014 we all of the sudden have another 18M to play with, because our entire team was operating on a 102M budget? I am of course oversimplying things and not taking into account contracts ending and other things.

    But in theory, on its most simplistic level, is this the case? Just some silver lining, I hope?

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    Default Re: Per Adam Schefter & PFT: NFL Taking away millions of salary cap-space from Cowboys & Redskins for front-loading deals during uncapped year

    Quote Originally Posted by The Tris View Post
    “@ZacBoyer: ESPN's Adam Schefter just said on SportsCenter the #Redskins found out about the salary cap ramifications this afternoon.”

    Either the FO is incompetent (would not mesh with everything else I have seen), or the league has at best terrible timing or at worst intentionally chose the most damaging time possible.
    the FO isn't incompetent, this came from a meeting over the weekend between the league and the union. they settled on the salary cap number this weekend. I'm not exactly sure how this works, but because the cap number isn't much bigger than last year, going after us and Dallas allows them to bump the salary cap number up a bit. making the player's union happy. I think every team in the league now has an additional mil per 2 of cap space

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