Per Schefter & PFT: NFL salary cap debacle continues---updates include NFLPA filing collusion lawsuits---links and discussion current--MET

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Regardless of the league telling Allen no rules were broken and the team did nothing wrong, the Redskins have paid. Even if there is some sort of retribution, it won't change the way this free agency opening was approached.

[LaRonDontLikeUgly]

Sally Jenkins is one dried-up hag. She doesn't know s*** about about football, and spews out a bunch of nonsense because she gets paid to put out "something". Last month, she wrote some article about why we NEED peyton manning. Any article I see with Sally Jenkins as the author, I don't even bother.

Amen brother, down with the hag! I'd rather make sweetbutter love to Sally Jesse Rafael.

so are we getting our money back?

Yessir!

Regardless of the league telling Allen no rules were broken and the team did nothing wrong, the Redskins have paid. Even if there is some sort of retribution, it won't change the way this free agency opening was approached.

How so? I would say we've made out pretty damn good so far, and this is only the beginning.

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How so? I would say we've made out pretty damn good so far, and this is only the beginning.

We don't know what may have been different had this not happened. It's possible they signed who they wanted. They will never personally admit otherwise. However, I would not be surprised if they weren't able to be as aggressive as they wanted with some guys that they otherwise backed off of. Vincent Jackson comes to mind. It's been known for years that Shanahan admires him and was hoping to draft him.

[Dirt]

And the rest of that article is pure Sally Jenkins hatred.

Wow that was really dumb. I mean, I know Redskins fans will always say that about articles bashing them, but no. So dumb.

All this 'Snyder this' and 'Snyder that'. How hard is it to understand that Snyder hasn't been making any decisions for a couple years now? When Snyderatto WAS making player and contract decisions, they did a horrible job and created a situation so bad, it was necessary for Bruce/Mike to cut half the team and rework all the contracts. Get it Sally? All those moves in the uncapped year were because Snyder WASN'T doing them. So the premise, and the TITLE of your article are stupid and wrong. Good work.

Besides, it's not like the Redskins were being sneaky and tricky, the handling/fixing of their cap space was well documented, talked about, reported... maybe even by you, Sally. Oh, and then these contracts were approved by the NFL, in front of everyone. So I don't care if you want to think it's like a yellow flag at a ****ing NASCAR race. It's not. It's called collusion, and that's not a buzz word, it's illegal. Way to brush it off with a ****ing NASCAR analogy, I mean really? That is some really dumb crap Sally.

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Her point as I read it was that Snyder has pissed off his business partners and they were more than happy to pounce on him when the opportunity arose. She never says it was right, or that it was just.

[LaRonDontLikeUgly]

We don't know what may have been different had this not happened. It's possible they signed who they wanted. They will never personally admit otherwise. However, I would not be surprised if they weren't able to be as aggressive as they wanted with some guys that they otherwise backed off of. Vincent Jackson comes to mind. It's been known for years that Shanahan admires him and was hoping to draft him.

You may be right, but I personally don't think Shefter's report was "news" to Bruce Allen. He seems a little too business-savvy to try and cheat the system without fully-knowing all of the possible outcomes. Once the league's office accepted those contract adjustments, Bruce knew he was golden.

Not signing VJax IMO is the best thing to happen to our franchise in a VERY long time... He is about to get $26 million guaranteed over the first 2 years in TB and still has 3 years left on his probation (that if violated will put him behind bars for several months or even years). He is a player who seems very well-spoken and humble-- but at the same time, driven by money and not the sport itself.

We just picked up another well-spoken and humble player who has worked his ass off from a D-III school, is 4 years younger than VJax, and nearly hit 1,000 yards last year with Curtis Painter. I couldn't be more pumped about this offseason so far!

[seantaylor=god]

We just picked up another well-spoken and humble player who has worked his ass off from a D-III school, is 4 years younger than VJax, and nearly hit 1,000 yards last year with Curtis Painter. I couldn't be more pumped about this offseason so far!

I love the signings. I love the upside with these guys, they are young, still hungry to prove themselves, and have shown they can play immediately. The best part is they will be here with RG3 for the long haul.

[cober]

I love the signings. I love the upside with these guys, they are young, still hungry to prove themselves, and have shown they can play immediately. The best part is they will be here with RG3 for the long haul.

This is exactly what i was thinking. They did not select these guys cause they are the best on the market but because they are better then what we have and will be here to develop with our new QB RG3. Which ultimately might be even better longterm. We will most likely be lucky to go 500 next season. So no reason to pickup a close 30 receiver who wont be here when RG3 matures in 2 to 3 years.

[Long-Time-Fan]

Finding out just now that the penalties are from the Albert Haynesworth and D.Hall contracts.


The NFLPA has players who constantly screw the owners left/right by either failing drug tests,going to jail,or just downright not performing and the teams of those players never get anything back in return.
I just cant accept the way the NFL is today.
I sure hope I see the day it goes down in flames like Boxing/Horse Racing has.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/76...ngton-redskins

[The Diesel]

Some of you are misconstruing this "competitive balance"thing. The league isn't talking about it affecting competitive balance in the past. They mean it affects competitive balance going forward for us to have had $40 mm in cap space due in large part to those moves.

None of that changes the fact this was collusion, illegal, and bull ****.

[ConnSKINS26]

I just cant accept the way the NFL is today.
I sure hope I see the day it goes down in flames like Boxing/Horse Racing has.

I've been very outspoken about my feelings in this thread.

But you shut your mouth!

That's not good for anyone. It may be a wimpified product, but that's still better then no product at all, or a product that is a tier 5 sport. Come on.

[Brotherz]

Some of you are misconstruing this "competitive balance"thing. The league isn't talking about it affecting competitive balance in the past. They mean it affects competitive balance going forward for us to have had $40 mm in cap space due in large part to those moves.

None of that changes the fact this was collusion, illegal, and bull ****.

Oh no I understand "competitive balance" in this context perfectly fine. If you are THE WASHINGTON REDSKINS or the DALLAS COWBOYS you actually have enough money to USE all of your cap space that we allow - - so if you didn't break any rules and we authorized all the contracts that we are saying now deserves a $36 milliion cap penalty 24 hours after we traded all our picks away and 24 hours before the start of free agency TWO YEARS LATER it would be unfair in the future for us (and only us) to have all that cap space because if we use it, we will get better and we will start winning. As the two wealthiest franchises, if we started winning, we'd start making even more money which we'd be able to spend of course and a cycle of winning and making money would begin in DC. (Which of course has been the dastardly goal of our owner since the very beginning!!) That would be unfair. Its only Ok if the BUCS have $40 mil in cap space.

No, I get it perfectly fine. (Gritting teeth not to enter a political statement about socialism here in the stadium. . . )

[D-Day]

Oh no I understand "competitive balance" in this context perfectly fine. If you are THE WASHINGTON REDSKINS or the DALLAS COWBOYS you actually have enough money to USE all of your cap space that we allow - - so if you didn't break any rules and we authorized all the contracts that we are saying now deserves a $36 milliion cap penalty 24 hours after we traded all our picks away and 24 hours before the start of free agency TWO YEARS LATER it would be unfair in the future for us (and only us) to have all that cap space because if we use it, we will get better and we will start winning. As the two wealthiest franchises, if we started winning, we'd start making even more money which we'd be able to spend of course and a cycle of winning and making money would begin in DC. (Which of course has been the dastardly goal of our owner since the very beginning!!) That would be unfair. Its only Ok if the BUCS have $40 mil in cap space.

No, I get it perfectly fine. (Gritting teeth not to enter a political statement about socialism here in the stadium. . . )

There is that and the fact that the other owners knew that the skins would have probably signed 7 new 26 year old starters on the first day of FA. Leaving 31 teams fan's, with their cheap ass owners, and a boatload of cap space yelling WTF at their teams on the radio, internet, TV, and every other medium known to man. Bottom line is the league owners were fine with the skins and 12 million a year to spend. We still made the other teams fans pissed every offseason (eventhough we spent our money unwisely for the most part), with that amount of money. They knew their cheap/poor routine was toast once the fans saw what could be with a profitable franchise, willing owner, and a smart player acquisition plan.

[CantonBound]

From a Washington Times article:

"I don’t know about you, but wink-wink agreements to not go crazy in uncapped years is collusion to me. Davis would file a lawsuit before the end of this sentence if his Oakland Raiders were hit with salary-cap reductions like Washington and Dallas."

I never thought I'd say this but I miss Al Davis. I hope Snyder learns some rebellion from him. File, Danny, file!

On a separate note, I can guarantee you Mara won't be head of thta committe for long. Snyder and Jerruh will start the politics to get him removed. It may take about a year or so...

[LaRonDontLikeUgly]

Everyone is still talking about this, but you do you guys realize the NFL called Bruce and admitted that the Redskins did nothing wrong legally? We are off the hook. No cap penalties.