Per Schefter & PFT: NFL salary cap debacle continues---updates include NFLPA filing collusion lawsuits---links and discussion current--MET

[Inigo Montoya]

I think it's pretty insane that they won't set a date to resolve this... I guess $18million in cap space isn't important for trying to shape a roster or anything

[The Diesel]

If I'm the Redskins this would be a short negotiaton.

NFL: How about we give you back $5 million?

Redskins: Nope. We'll take it ALL back.

NFL: How about ...hmmm...$10 million?

Redskins: Nope. We'll take it all back.

NFL: Surely we can come to an agreement on somewhere around...$15 million??

Redskins: Nope. We'll take it all back. Or we can just get to arbitration now and then court later if necessary.

[gbear]

I think a problem many of us on the board may be having is determining how much fight 18 mil in cap space or 36 million in cap space is worth. Keep in mind, if Snyder pays 5 million in legal fees to fight for 36 million in cap space, he is actually out 41 million. Now what if his doubling the money he is willing to put forth to fight for this makes it happen? triple? How long before we start talking real money, even for Snyder?

Now picture this scenario: Snyder decides to go to arbitration. What if part of the negotiated deal is "Fine we will settle with you, but not till a week after the draft." In the Redskins favor in terms of fan support, Snyder stuck up for the team when they did nothing wrong and won! From the league perspective, they kept the Skins from using cap space they thought the Skins should not have been able to use to get an unfair advantage. The bonus still goes to Snyder because by the time the case is settled, we are squarely in the middle of the secondary FA market where most teams are bargain hunting. Now Snyder doesn't have to spend the money in bidding wars. He can claim to have paid only those Allen thought were worth it. So in this case, Snyder wins, and the NFL wins. As a secondary part of the agreement, there is no floor this season. So if the agreement (private or not) is for the Skins not to spend this year, it is possible the NFL could be appeased on the competitive advantage front too.

[ConnSKINS26]

If Snyder uses 5M dollars (just using your example) of his own money and loses, he isn't out 41M...he's out the 5M.

We're fighting for the RIGHT to spend that 36M. Not for an actual 36M in cash. Its cap space lost, not a fine taken.

[warren]

"ESPN 980 has learned thru two league sources that the #Redskins had 1.5 M of cap space left, BEFORE signing of Tanard Jackson this morning. Exact figure unknown right now, but will be less than 1 million dollars remaining. Washington Redskins"

I wonder if they think they are going to get the cap space back?

[S.T.real,lights,out]

"ESPN 980 has learned thru two league sources that the #Redskins had 1.5 M of cap space left, BEFORE signing of Tanard Jackson this morning. Exact figure unknown right now, but will be less than 1 million dollars remaining. Washington Redskins"

I wonder if they think they are going to get the cap space back?

1.5!!! Damn, hope thats not true!

[Rufus T Firefly]

"ESPN 980 has learned thru two league sources that the #Redskins had 1.5 M of cap space left, BEFORE signing of Tanard Jackson this morning. Exact figure unknown right now, but will be less than 1 million dollars remaining. Washington Redskins"

I wonder if they think they are going to get the cap space back?

I would assume that is after the space set aside for rookies, that would at least come close to adding up with what we seem to have available at the moment.

But that piece also seems to show a lack of understanding of the salary cap. If Jackson signed a minimum salary deal, he won't be taking any (or much) of our cap space. 51 players count towards the cap, so he would just take the place of another player. He'd be getting the vet min, so it might be 1-2 hundred K more than a youngster making the minimum, but that would be all.

[GaryGreenMonk]

1.5!!! Damn, hope thats not true!

ack!... how are we supposed to sign our draft picks? RGIII will cost us around 4 or 5 i'm sure by himself.

We must think we are getting money back soon... or we are ignoring the league??

[DogofWar1]

I would assume that is after the space set aside for rookies, that would at least come close to adding up with what we seem to have available at the moment.

But that piece also seems to show a lack of understanding of the salary cap. If Jackson signed a minimum salary deal, he won't be taking any (or much) of our cap space. 51 players count towards the cap, so he would just take the place of another player. He'd be getting the vet min, so it might be 1-2 hundred K more than a youngster making the minimum, but that would be all.

Right, rule of 51 means that Jackson doesn't count against the cap. Currently we have 64 guys, Jackson included, so 13 of them don't count against the cap.

And I've been assuming each of these cap updates takes rookie money into account, to the tune of between 5-6M. So in all we're probably looking at around 6.5-7.5M in space.

[SkinsFTW]

How is Fletcher close to signing if theres only around 1Mill left? That doesn't make any sense.

[Tulane Skins Fan]

ack!... how are we supposed to sign our draft picks? RGIII will cost us around 4 or 5 i'm sure by himself.

We must think we are getting money back soon... or we are ignoring the league??

Not a bad move by the skins though to put pressure on the union to drop this "agreement." What's the union going to say when 7 people can't get contracts done?

[Rufus T Firefly]

Right, rule of 51 means that Jackson doesn't count against the cap. Currently we have 64 guys, Jackson included, so 13 of them don't count against the cap.

And I've been assuming each of these cap updates takes rookie money into account, to the tune of between 5-6M. So in all we're probably looking at around 6.5-7.5M in space.

PFT had us at 7.6 a week or so ago, which was close to what I had guesstimated. Using Cam Newton's deal as a template, Griffin gets around 5.5 per I believe, but the first year hit should be a bit lower, a little under 5. The rest of the class shouldn't cost a net 1 mil even.

[s0crates]

How is Fletcher close to signing if theres only around 1Mill left? That doesn't make any sense.

I'm wondering the same thing myself.

[skinfan2k]

I'm wondering the same thing myself.

We are in the process of restructuring a couple of deals

[Taylor 36]

We are in the process of restructuring a couple of deals

Who are we restructuring?