Explanation on why the Skins are being targeted in the uncapped year fiasco

[PCinOz]

I posted this on CPND and it is on Twitter but thought I would post it here for my ES colleagues as well.

Now I don't agree with this at all because the NFL approved all these contracts but it does bring some rationalization behind the NFL decision.

Its a twitter explanation I gave to Rich Tandler so please read from the bottom up.............


57s Robert Large‏@PCinOz
But this will be the cornerstone of the NFL argument - that those two contracts were done differently to the others.

1m Robert Large‏@PCinOz
How is AH and DH case different to TW, Rak or Peppers based on what the NFL secretly told the team owners/GM;s?

2m Robert Large‏@PCinOz
@PCinOz @Rich_Tandler There was no breakdown of info on what was "allowed" and what wasn't so how do the NFL have a leg to stand on anyway?

6m Robert Large‏@PCinOz
@PCinOz @Rich_Tandler Thats why the SKins and Boys should take this to court they would win hands down

6m Robert Large‏@PCinOz
@Rich_Tandler Thats the difference. Should it matter? No. But the NFL are quarantining that issue to hit the SKins with.

7m Rich Tandler‏@Rich_Tandler
@PCinOz In other words, they're making it up as they go along. Not the way it's supposed to operate. I know you know that, just odd.

7m Robert Large‏@PCinOz
@Rich_Tandler Totally agree, they have found a way to seperate abuses with new or unpaid money from already paid and earned money

8m Rich Tandler‏@Rich_Tandler

@PCinOz . . . the cap hit if they want to release Peppers. Same thing, just a new contract.

9m Rich Tandler‏@Rich_Tandler
@PCinOz No, it was a brand new contract when he signed as a UFA with the Bears. Paid out big $ in 1st year to lower cap later and reduce . .

9m Robert Large‏@PCinOz
@Rich_Tandler I;m just using the openalty number to rationalise the NFL decision, not saying that the NFL is right to exclude other abuses

10m Robert Large‏@PCinOz
@Rich_Tandler Was any of Peppers money already earned and paid


11m Rich Tandler‏@Rich_Tandler
@PCinOz I get that. Just don't see why the Bears aren't in the same boat.

11m Robert Large‏@PCinOz
@Rich_Tandler The diff is the NFL are focused on those two already paid & prorated option bonuses, not accelerating yet to be paid/earned

13m Robert Large‏@PCinOz
@Rich_Tandler ...but also accelerates already paid option bonuses to AH ($21m) and DH ($15m). Now what was the penalty? 21+15

14m Robert Large‏@PCinOz
@Rich_Tandler Rich Rich look at the Skins that year, renegotiated Orakpo and Williams contract to accelerate as yet unpaid future bonuses...


Rich Tandler‏@Rich_TandlerReply
he Bears signed Julius Peppers as a UFA in 2010 to a deal with a $35 million cap hit. But they escape penalty here. Why?

[SnyderShrugged]

OK, so those two contract were done "differently" from others. Why were those "different" evil, bad contracts then subsequently approved by the NFL officially with no problem?

[UK SKINS FAN '74]

PC, wasn't this documented as being the same thing Allen did with Jeff Faine in Tampa. or not ? Seems like the precedent would have been set back then if so.

[robotfire]

Thanks for the insight. Haynesworth strikes again...

Would you mind reformatting so it reads from top to bottom?

[Justsomeguy]

The NFL dosen't have a leg to stand on. The redskins are being targeted because they weren't involved in the collusion. **** the Commish!

[FrFan]

The NFL dosen't have a leg to stand on. The redskins are being targeted because they weren't involved in the collusion.

Spot on, it looks like he wants to inject socialism in the NFL.
Redskins G.M. Bruce Allen said. “Every contract entered into by the club during the applicable periods complied with the 2010 and 2011 collective bargaining agreements and, in fact, were approved by the NFL commissioner’s office. We look forward to free agency, the draft and the coming football season.”

[redskindan07]

Well hopefully we can hold on to the 36 million...

[scruffylookin]

Spot on, it looks like he wants to inject socialism in the NFL.
Redskins G.M. Bruce Allen said. “Every contract entered into by the club during the applicable periods complied with the 2010 and 2011 collective bargaining agreements and, in fact, were approved by the NFL commissioner’s office. We look forward to free agency, the draft and the coming football season.”

Huh what?

The NFL already has socialistic policies. It's the reason why it's so healthy with regards to all teams getting the same cut.

No need to inject another boogeyman into this situation.

The boogeyman term to use is the Redskins and Cowboys didn't play along with the "collution" that was going on behind the scenes between the owners.

[JoeGibbsIsMyHero]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...om-square-one/

This is a great explanation of how the other 30 teams colluded to make the uncapped year penalty null and void and then held Demaurice's feet to the fire to make him go along with it. If I'm a player I petition for Demaurice to be fired for this and Roger to be HEAVILY FINED for violating the collective bargaining agreement. He's running the league like the mafia.

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I'm not familiar with accelerating already paid bonus', so it stood out to me as fundamentally different contract situations from Peppers or Schaub (who had an option bonus picked up that triggered an extension). The NFL would have a hard time penalizing a team for front loading a contract or coincidentally having bonus' hit during the uncapped year. However it did appear that the Skins changed the structure of the contracts that already existed to accelerate the cap hit. Not to say I think the team should have been penalized. It's absurd. But I could see the difference in intent and operation.

Do you have the time to explain a few more things?

What is the deal with accelerating these bonus'? Can you explain how it works in real terms (money to player) and cap terms, in a normal circumstance? If it is already paid how is it accelerated? Is it a situation of bonus' being triggered but not paid in 2010 and we moved those payments to 2010? Is this otherwise standard operating procedure every year? If so I would assume teams may do it before the start of the new league year to eat up leftover cap space.

[gbear]

I agree with Florio. I don't understand the players acceptance of the move. Why would the players be OK with taking money away from those who will spend to give to those who don't?

[LD0506]

I agree with Florio. I don't understand the players acceptance of the move. Why would the players be OK with taking money away from those who will spend to give to those who don't?

This to me is the part that really sticks in my craw, DeMaurice Smith sandbagged the NFLPA membership in this just to keep his job and hopes that no one notices what the actual results were? How in the hell was this accepted by the players (if it actually was)?

You know something reeks when Florio is making that much sense, he has been all over this.

[dchogs]

It is disturbing at how little coverage this is getting outside of PFT and skins/boys sites (and everyone reads PFT with a huge grain of salt anyway). I get NFL network trying to keep a lid on it, but ESPN should be all over this.

[gbear]

The lack of coverage is what the NFL was counting on. That is why they did the day before free agency and made it only partly hit this year. The moment players starting signing, this was old news. The only better timing would be to release this info on a Friday afternoon, and then it would still only be better if teams could start signing players either Monday morning or Saturday.

[Califan007]

Does this also explain why the Cowboys got hit?...I didn't think Austin's contract extension would fall under the "already paid and earned money" umbrella.