We need to draft 2 QBs

[Epochalypse]

You're assuming that this pick changed my mind about all the other moves. It doesn't. I am calling this individual pick foolish. That's my opinion on this one pick. I don't think anyone is making the blanket statement you are saying. Some of us simply don't like this pick.

Unless you're saying with 100% certainty that we could have got a starter with that pick at another position, we're talking about backups.

If we're talking about backups, which position is it most important to have a capable backup? QB each and every time.

Who should we have taken instead? Give us a name so we can at least argue Cousins vs. somebody other than "Player not named Cousins"

[Mr. Sinister]

Unless you're saying with 100% certainty that we could have got a starter with that pick at another position, we're talking about backups.

If we're talking about backups, which position is it most important to have a capable backup? QB each and every time.

Who should we have taken instead? Give us a name so we can at least argue Cousins vs. somebody other than "Player not named Cousins"

I still don't understand these arguments

It pretty much boils down to "Possibly very solid backup QB" vs "Great Special teamer/career backup/cat that doesn't fit our system". QB wins, like you said.

[IrepDC]

Your statement was that the Redskins did not do what "other teams are doing" by surrounding Robert Griffin III with as much talent as possible. I refuted that idea.

You started off right, but then you changed my words. When speaking about what we did that no other team has done:

..we are the first team ever to use such a high pick on another QB the same year we draft our franchise QB.

I don't see where you refuted that. The only similar case of a team doing this was over 40 years ago.

Unless you're saying with 100% certainty that we could have got a starter with that pick at another position, we're talking about backups.

If we're talking about backups, which position is it most important to have a capable backup? QB each and every time.

Who should we have taken instead? Give us a name so we can at least argue Cousins vs. somebody other than "Player not named Cousins"

Perry Riley and Roy Helu are both starters right now. Those are the last two 4th round picks we've had.

[Epochalypse]

Perry Riley and Roy Helu are both starters right now. Those are the last two 4th round picks we've had.

Perry Riley took a year to develop before he offered anything to us. He wasn't even the starter until a few games into this year, his second. So he did not help us the year he was drafted.

Roy Helu also was not the starter until THT got hurt.

Also, the fact that you point out Shanahan's last two 4th rounders as successes, doesn't that imply he may know what he is doing with his 4th round picks?

[FuriousD]

There's an old proverb that says, "hope for the best but prepare for the worst". This is what the Cousins pick was all about.

Sure we hope that Griffin never misses a snap for the next 10 years but the chances of that are slim to none. When that time comes, Shanahan wants to be able to keep on winning. It's not enough just to keep the seat warm. It's about winning.

Sometime in the not too distant future, I'm pretty sure that when called to play, Cousins will give us a better chance to walk away with a win than another back-up LB or CB or whatever.

For a fanbase that has plumbed the depths of QB futility for so long, you would think we would all embrace quality depth at the position.

[NLC1054]

Perry Riley and Roy Helu are both starters right now. Those are the last two 4th round picks we've had.

Who should we have drafted?

[Mr. Sinister]

Bobby Massie...

[IrepDC]

Perry Riley took a year to develop before he offered anything to us. He wasn't even the starter until a few games into this year, his second. So he did not help us the year he was drafted.

Roy Helu also was not the starter until THT got hurt.

Also, the fact that you point out Shanahan's last two 4th rounders as successes, doesn't that imply he may know what he is doing with his 4th round picks?

Yes it does. I'm not saying he doesn't know what he's doing. I'm saying I don't agree with the pick, partly because I believe he could have found a player that would help our young QB.

[Mr. Sinister]

Yes it does. I'm not saying he doesn't know what he's doing. I'm saying I don't agree with the pick, partly because I believe he could have found a player that would help our young QB.

Who? That's what I've been trying to figure out. For the life of me.

O-line-Check
RB-Check
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TE-Check

Partridge in a pear tree?

[IrepDC]

Who should we have drafted?

I don't know, and I'm not saying I have all the answers. I'm simply saying I don't like the pick. There are always valuable players found in the 4th and later rounds. Our scouting department has done a good job in recent years finding those guys. I just wanted them to do the same thing this year at a position other than backup QB. Any other team would be putting all of their assets towards that, and being our third selection in the draft, this was a very valuable asset to burn on backup QB.

[Epochalypse]

Yes it does. I'm not saying he doesn't know what he's doing. I'm saying I don't agree with the pick, partly because I believe he could have found a player that would help our young QB.

Again who is this player that would help our young QB? We drafted him 2 Gs and a T, we signed him 2 WRs and have a third rounder from the year before. We franchised tagged a TE for him. We drafted 2 RBs last year and 1 this year. We will have one of the youngest offenses in the league. What position did we not get help for RGIII that a 4th round pick would have been an absolute upgrade?

[IrepDC]

Who? That's what I've been trying to figure out. For the life of me.

O-line-Check
RB-Check
Receiver-Check
TE-Check

Partridge in a pear tree?

Another WR, a RT, a RB, a TE, a DL, a LB, a S, a CB. Backup QB, with Rex already here, is at the bottom of the list for me. All getting Cousins does this year is take a roster spot away from the final 53 man roster for a 3rd string QB.

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Again who is this player that would help our young QB? We drafted him 2 Gs and a T, we signed him 2 WRs and have a third rounder from the year before. We franchised tagged a TE for him. We drafted 2 RBs last year and 1 this year. We will have one of the youngest offenses in the league. What position did we not get help for RGIII that a 4th round pick would have been an absolute upgrade?

As I said to the other poster, any position would have been better than backup QB. We already have a backup QB next year.

[Epochalypse]

Another WR, a RT, a RB, a TE, a DL, a LB, a S, a CB. Backup QB, with Rex already here, is at the bottom of the list for me. All getting Cousins does this year is take a roster spot away from the final 53 man roster for a 3rd string QB.

As I said to the other poster, any position would have been better than backup QB. We already have a backup QB next year.

Every position you listed we got this offseason. No 4th rounder we would have brought in would have got any playing time ahead of Garcon, Hankerson, Morgan, or Moss. We drafted a RT. We are converting Paul to TE to go with our former Pro Bowler and possible future Pro Bowler (if he lays off the pot). DL? Jenkins comes back from injury. S? We signed like four and drafted a guy who will probably be converted there. CB, same thing. all those positions we filled with people who would probably play over whoever we got in the fourth round.

As to already having a backup QB, we have backups at all the other positions too, should we not have drafted anyone? Oh right we're supposed to be trying to get guys who are younger and better than what we have. I think Cousins fits that description perfectly.

[FuriousD]

As I said to the other poster, any position would have been better than backup QB. We already have a backup QB next year.

We already have back-ups everywhere. Not sure where you are going with that!

I'll reiterate something that Shanahan said in his presser - they were looking for players who were going to make the team. Cousins is going to make the team and again, at that moment in the draft he represented the best value on the board.

Why is this so hard?

[LWC]

Every position you listed we got this offseason. No 4th rounder we would have brought in would have got any playing time ahead of Garcon, Hankerson, Morgan, or Moss. We drafted a RT. We are converting Paul to TE to go with our former Pro Bowler and possible future Pro Bowler (if he lays off the pot). DL? Jenkins comes back from injury. S? We signed like four and drafted a guy who will probably be converted there. CB, same thing. all those positions we filled with people who would probably play over whoever we got in the fourth round.

As to already having a backup QB, we have backups at all the other positions too, should we not have drafted anyone? Oh right we're supposed to be trying to get guys who are younger and better than what we have. I think Cousins fits that description perfectly.

This is pretty much how I feel too. Why so much negativity over this pick. IMO, backup QB is an area of need because frankly, Grossman is a liability waiting to happen. He is a short term band aid in that role because he knows the offense.
And I also don't understand why people think this is going to mess with RG3. Cousins will be groomed to be the backup period. He was still around in the 4th round for a reason. If he was that much of a sure thing, he would've been picked in the first.