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He chases down an unarmed teenager - against the orders of the 911 operator - and kills him. I don't see any scenario where that becomes self defense.
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You don't get to claim self defense in a dangerous situation that you instigated.
I don't see the crime as being racist either. I don't even find the police not arresting Zimmerman anything to do with race...
Regardless if the shooter black or white, and if the kid was black or white, Zimmerman should be in jail right now.
No. Because, legally, it is impossible for this to ever become self defense if Zimmerman instigated the confrontation. The foreseeability begins with the initial controntation. All escalations are foreseeable at that point.
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B. Even if it was, at no point are his actions reasonable.
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Again, I repeat, it does not matter.
Zimmerman started the confrontation. Once that happens, self defense goes away.
Apparently in Florida you can claim self defense if you get in to a gang shootout.
Right. How can you claim self defense after chasing somebody down...and that's after he got out of his car when he was ordered not to...
I don't want to give the guy an excuse because he really doesn't have one...perhaps the Martin reached for Zimmerman's gun.
And will do G. Just texted my brother, but I think he is traveling today. Side note: He is a basketball junkie like us too. haha. He however is a bandwagon fan. Give him ****.
Last edited by Kosher Ham; March-20th-2012 at 10:59 AM.
Thanks for the sig LCSF
Self defense is a very specific legal concept. It doesn't magically materialize everytime you feel threatened.
Let's say I break into your house. I have no intent to kill you. I just want to beat the **** out of you. I pistol whip you like I'm Henry Hill and you are that annoying Jewish guy who hit on Karen Hill. This goes on for a while. In the scuffle, I drop my gun and you grab it. I have another gun.
Am I now justified in killing you?
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Thanks for the sig LCSF
Let me start by saying this, there's no way to justify or rationalize this guy stalking a 17yr old and shooting him, no matter what color he was.
That being said, I always find myself shaking my head at the fact people always jump to racism and hate crime when it involves a black person being the victim. Civil rights groups come out of the woodwork screaming for justice!
Read the articles, black on Hispanic, where's the NAACP screaming for justice of a hate crime? Not one mention of it being a hate crime or racially motivated. Why?
When the Marine who recently returned from Afghanistan and his wife were jumped outside the movie theater in DC by a group of black teens, where were these same groups crying for justice?
You would think groups hell bent on seeking justice for racial equality would be just as pissed and passionate about the idiots giving them a bad name, driving the stereotypes that they fight so hard against.
Nope, only non blacks committing a crime on a black can be guilty of a racially motivated "hate" crime.
Again, not defending the asshat who shot the kid, but just because the kid was black and the shooter wasn't, does not make it racial. We all stereotype in some shape or form everyday, it's human nature.
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