Does Shanahan senior and Bruce Allen deserve an extension? Did eye pass English?

[Rocky52Mc]

Hogwash. A team rebuilding needs draft picks and that is a verifiable fact in today's NFL. What the Eagles ended up doing with the picks and what we got in the next draft doesn't change a thing.

There is no set way to rebuild my friend. It all has to do with your coaches and how well they do with your players, and then putting it up in numbers on the field. There's teams that have been rebuilding like a bunch of girls for decades and it gets you nowhere. What Allen has done with this roster in 2 years is phenomenal not including who's about to be on the roster in roughly 10 days.

Do they deserve extensions? Sure, after this season when we see major statistical progress.

[SJValleySkinz]

There is no set way to rebuild my friend. It all has to do with your coaches and how well they do with your players, and then putting it up in numbers on the field. There's teams that have been rebuilding like a bunch of girls for decades and it gets you nowhere. What Allen has done with this roster in 2 years is phenomenal not including who's about to be on the roster in roughly 10 days.

Do they deserve extensions? Sure, after this season when we see major statistical progress.

But there is a set way (in today's NFL) to rebuild succesfully, which is what I mean't.

[GO HAMSKINS]

I voted a HELL NO . Unless we start to improve this season. If we fail again this year this Shanny,Allen, script is over

[Koolblue13]

We have turned over an underachieving and over aged roster in just a couple years, changed the entire defensive system and are about to have our QB of the future throwing to 4 WRs and a TE with a ton of ability and under 26.

I'd say they're doing their jobs pretty damn well. This team should start getting very good, very soon and stay that way for a while.

[vtsoldier2010]

We have turned over an underachieving and over aged roster in just a couple years, changed the entire defensive system and are about to have our QB of the future throwing to 4 WRs and a TE with a ton of ability and under 26.

I'd say they're doing their jobs pretty damn well. This team should start getting very good, very soon and stay that way for a while.

I completely agree man! The future around here is bright as its ever been!! Hail!!

[pjfootballer]

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What does that have to do with anything? In the NFL, when a team is bad and old (2009 Redskins), the roster is rebuilt and replenished with draft picks. This is what the front office needed to do in 2010 and did not. This process should not have been delayed a year and ultimately is why they do not deserve an extension in my eyes.

Here's my question. We tried to get Bradford, but were unable to, so we picked Trent Williams. Since we traded away our 2nd round pick for McNabb, what QB would you have drafted with that 2nd rounder to become our franchise QB? I believe Dalton was off the board at that point 2 picks before. Or did you want us to pick another player and who would that have been that wouldn't have "set us back?"

[Epochalypse]

Scenario:

You contract someone to build a building.
You tell him he has five years to build a beautiful, structurally-sound building.
Two years in, you look at it and say, "I wanted the building done by now. It doesn't look like I want it to."
The builder says, "Wait, you gave me five years, and I'm trying to build it right."

End scenario.

Based on the above scenario, answer the following question:

Would you:

a. Give the builder time to finish the building based on the agreed upon time frame and make your determination based on what he has accomplished at the end of that five years.
b. Fire him immediately, because despite the fact he's successfully built two buildings before, you aren't happy with the fact the building isn't done in two years. Besides another sure-fire builder would LOVE to come in knowing that they'd have a full two years to design and build a new building.

[ConnSKINS26]

Love the new title.

[Koolblue13]

Love the new title.

I don't know how I missed that

[worstSeat]

Love the new title.

What did the OP do wrong?

Personally, I think they do. We have not had our organization run this well for at least a decade. They have made a few mistakes but that comes with the territory; for the most part I have been impressed. I understand that the regular season records have not met our expectation, however, I believe we will be satisfied soon with that aspect.

Missing a comma for two independent clauses. Expectations. Comma splice.

Is that it? Seems kinda grammar-police-y.

[SkinsFTW]

What did the OP do wrong?



Missing a comma for two independent clauses. Expectations. Comma splice.

Is that it? Seems kinda grammar-police-y.

I think because he said DOES in the title when it should be DO.

[SJValleySkinz]

Here's my question. We tried to get Bradford, but were unable to, so we picked Trent Williams. Since we traded away our 2nd round pick for McNabb, what QB would you have drafted with that 2nd rounder to become our franchise QB? I believe Dalton was off the board at that point 2 picks before. Or did you want us to pick another player and who would that have been that wouldn't have "set us back?"

Who I would have picked doesn't matter. The point once again is that we needed a severe roster overhaul and an infusion of youth the minute Shanny/Allen stepped in the building. Delaying this for one season was a monumentous error. Look at what happened in the 2011 draft. We may have found four starters in the first four rounds. Keep your picks in 2010 and who knows, maybe we find one more starter and another couple of key depth guys. What set us back is throwing away the opportunity to do this, and just because it is not a guarantee doesn't mean you throw it away.

The thing that has everyone optimistic about this regime is exactly what I'm saying they should have done from the beginning, not year 2.

[Epochalypse]

Who I would have picked doesn't matter. The point once again is that we needed a severe roster overhaul and an infusion of youth the minute Shanny/Allen stepped in the building. Delaying this for one season was a monumentous error. Look at what happened in the 2011 draft. We may have found four starters in the first four rounds. Keep your picks in 2010 and who knows, maybe we find one more starter and another couple of key depth guys. What set us back is throwing away the opportunity to do this, and just because it is not a guarantee doesn't mean you throw it away.

The thing that has everyone optimistic about this regime is exactly what I'm saying they should have done from the beginning, not year 2.

I'm going to guess that you stand there and yell at your microwave for not heating your tea fast enough.

[DogofWar1]

Who I would have picked doesn't matter. The point once again is that we needed a severe roster overhaul and an infusion of youth the minute Shanny/Allen stepped in the building. Delaying this for one season was a monumentous error. Look at what happened in the 2011 draft. We may have found four starters in the first four rounds. Keep your picks in 2010 and who knows, maybe we find one more starter and another couple of key depth guys. What set us back is throwing away the opportunity to do this, and just because it is not a guarantee doesn't mean you throw it away.

The thing that has everyone optimistic about this regime is exactly what I'm saying they should have done from the beginning, not year 2.

To be honest, I think the fanbase is mostly optimistic about our QB prospect and future QB play. And to be fair to the FO, that's what they've been focused on since they got here. Shanahan and Allen rightly recognized the importance of QB play, and no player/s we could have drafted could have matched the importance of a capable QB.

We've all been sitting here with the benefit of hindsight, but looking at it objectively pre-trade McNabb must have been a desirable player to acquire. A little old perhaps, but with no other decent options out there in FA or the draft, McNabb was an unfortunate necessity. If not him, then who would we have ended up with in 2010. Grossman? If so, we'd have been as desperate for a QB last year as we were this year, and probably made a poor decision, either trading up for Locker or drafting Gabbert. Either way, we're out at least 1 high draft pick no matter what we would have done.

And you're still missing the fact that Shanahan had to come in and evaluate the talent level of the team before making moves. Lorenzo Alexander was playing OLB for us in 2010. We spent a 1st round pick in 2011 for an OLB. Could Shanahan have made that same evaluation a year earlier? Probably not. Heck, he's still doing evaluations of some players like Kevin Barnes. Barnes is entering his 4th year and will either step it up or be gone. Ryan Torain took 2 years to evaluate.

Drafting players at verified positions of need will generally net better results than drafting players based on vague speculation of team needs. He knew we needed a QB, LT, and due to going to a 3-4, an ILB. He went after all three of those with his first 3 picks (after Vinny spent the 3rd rounder on the 2009 supplemental draft).

Long story short, he doesn't need an extension yet, but his actions in 2010 were not as detrimental as you think, and make sense in the context of the situation.

[SJValleySkinz]

To be honest, I think the fanbase is mostly optimistic about our QB prospect and future QB play. And to be fair to the FO, that's what they've been focused on since they got here. Shanahan and Allen rightly recognized the importance of QB play, and no player/s we could have drafted could have matched the importance of a capable QB.

We've all been sitting here with the benefit of hindsight, but looking at it objectively pre-trade McNabb must have been a desirable player to acquire. A little old perhaps, but with no other decent options out there in FA or the draft, McNabb was an unfortunate necessity. If not him, then who would we have ended up with in 2010. Grossman? If so, we'd have been as desperate for a QB last year as we were this year, and probably made a poor decision, either trading up for Locker or drafting Gabbert. Either way, we're out at least 1 high draft pick no matter what we would have done.

And you're still missing the fact that Shanahan had to come in and evaluate the talent level of the team before making moves. Lorenzo Alexander was playing OLB for us in 2010. We spent a 1st round pick in 2011 for an OLB. Could Shanahan have made that same evaluation a year earlier? Probably not. Heck, he's still doing evaluations of some players like Kevin Barnes. Barnes is entering his 4th year and will either step it up or be gone. Ryan Torain took 2 years to evaluate.

Drafting players at verified positions of need will generally net better results than drafting players based on vague speculation of team needs. He knew we needed a QB, LT, and due to going to a 3-4, an ILB. He went after all three of those with his first 3 picks (after Vinny spent the 3rd rounder on the 2009 supplemental draft).

Long story short, he doesn't need an extension yet, but his actions in 2010 were not as detrimental as you think, and make sense in the context of the situation.

You can't say he inherited a horrible mess that takes years to fix and at the same time give him a pass for thinking he was a past his prime QB and a patchwork roster away from competing. When you inherit a horrible mess you tear it down and start over, and the way to succesfully do that is through the draft. His action didn't END UP being too detrimental because of a tremendous 2011 draft class and the RG3 trade, that doesn't mean it wasn't a mistake.