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[posse87]

This thread is making my brain hurt.

Cousins was BY FAR the BPA when we picked. It wasn't even in the realm of close.

And we need a backup quarterback for next year not named Rex Grossman.

Top that with everything else that's been said ad nauseum around here.

Stop letting the media fuel a disdain for this move. Please. I'm begging you. Think about it and formulate your own opinion. Casserly on NFL Network even liked the move. ESPNs talking heads are clueless.

Bill Pollian also liked it.

[tiger187126]

Why address that future need with an immediate pick vs using an immediate pick to attempt to provide an immediate and future benefit?

"reach out of need instead of taking BPA"

that is what you're advocating and what has gotten this team in so much trouble over the few years when we have draft picks.

[KDawg]

"reach out of need instead of taking BPA"

that is what you're advocating and what has gotten this team in so much trouble over the few years when we have draft picks.

Especially when, in my estimation, Cousins was the BPA by a mile on the board. Wasn't even close.

[Warpath11]

This thread is making my brain hurt.

Cousins was BY FAR the BPA when we picked. It wasn't even in the realm of close.

At first I was a little surprised but when you think about BPA, as you point out, this move was a no-brainer. I liked it and I think it will pay off huge for the Skins down the road.

[communion5]

More cousins love from me.... He's doing biofeedback, which is weird but awesome. Its hard to explain what biofeedback is, or how relevant it is... but its an fairly recent treatment, or more like brain training, where they hook you up to an EEG (a machine that measures brain waves) and they use a kinda of video game feedback of your brain wave, that trains you to locate and sustain optimal brain wave patterns!!!

Its no fluke, i promise. This type of therapy is typically used for people with depression and add, (hence why i know about it) but it has applications across the board. I read a book on the subject, actually multiple books... the best one is called "the brain that changes itself" by Norman Doidge. I'm sure it not going to send him over the top and make him some kinda super mutant athlete, i just thought it was interesting cause i've read so much about it, and its cool to know that one of OUR quarterbacks actually tries to use it to gain a competitive edge. Biofeedback has some remarkable stories, just thought i'd share.

heres a link: http://www.mlive.com/sports/grand-ra..._kirk_cou.html
heres a you-tube link explaining better: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMPxK...eature=related
heres a link about the book:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bra...Changes_Itself

[HogNose]

Stop letting the media fuel a disdain for this move. Please. I'm begging you. Think about it and formulate your own opinion. Casserly on NFL Network even liked the move. ESPNs talking heads are clueless.

Plus Mike Mayock didn't see a problem with the Cousins pick and he is one of the few worth listening to. If Belichick had made this pick the ESPN talking heads would have said it was a brilliant BPA move.

[darrelgreenie]

They do. "We had other needs" is basically saying you didn't want a backup QB

No actually, 'we had other needs' is not the same as saying you don't want a back-up.
Its about prioritization not about desire; about distribution of resources not about want.
When you frame what other people are saying you end up having a discussion about the wrong point.

We had 9 draft selections. You're supposed to have 7. We had picks.

True, you're right we did have picks my larger point was about high picks.

Why address the back-up QB with such a high pick (especially respective to our draft)

We did not have a 2nd round pick therefore the relative importance of our other picks makes our 4th round pick a high.

He was by far the BPA on the board, and it wasn't close.

We can assume Cousins was the BPA on our board because we drafted him.
But the question remains and can only be answered in time is: were they right to value Cousins, back-up QB, higher then some other players available that maybe could have helped the team?

Cousins wasn't drafted to be the backup this year. Grossman is the in-between to keep there from being a controversy. Shanahan will likely have three QBs on the roster this year. Grossman being the back up. Joe Gibbs always said the two most important positions on a football team are quarterback and backup quarterback. Look at the Bears last year. Look at the Texans. Backup QBs played a large role in their failures and successes. This year isn't the important part for Cousins. Next year is.

I made this same point in my post:

I think we all agree that back-up QB is an essential part of a championship contending team.
Back-up QB is typically a position that doesn't play as much as other depth/rotational players therefore cannot help the team as much and its unlikely (although we can hope) that Cousins even wins the back-up spot this year.

hence my question about using an immediate resource to address a future need.

A player not being on the field doesn't diminish their value. If that was the case, there would be no need for depth.

I'm not making this point at all; my question about Cousins not playing isn't a question of value.
Its a question of immediate contribution or impact:

Back-up QB is typically a position that doesn't play as much as other depth/rotational players therefore cannot help the team as much

Why does that matter?

Because my question was about using an immediate resource for a future benefit vs using an immediate resource to immediate and future benefit.

At that pick, he was, in my opinion of course, BY FAR the BPA. And it's not close

In hindsight I probably should have only responded to this point.
I think the 4th round is where Cousins should have gone and I thought Alameda Ta'aamu was the BPA for me Cousins and Ta'amu will always be linked.
The irony was for me was taking 2 QBs in this draft but none last year, and I'm not talking about Gabbert they didn't have 1 QB as BPA at any point in the draft last year?

[tiger187126]

Plus Mike Mayock didn't see a problem with the Cousins pick and he is one of the few worth listening to. If Belichick had made this pick the ESPN talking heads would have said it was a brilliant BPA move.

see they preach BPA, but when you do it and you're not a top 10 team in the NFL they say it's a "luxury pick."

if you make non-"luxury picks" then you're reaching and just setting yourself back another couple of years.

mallet and cousins probably had close to the same grade and mallet was picked a round before cousins by a team with as many holes as ours had, but because NE is a good team every year they must be drafting well. that is until you start looking at how bad they are at drafting, but saying a team is good while drafting poorly would take away from the media build up of the draft, which makes them basically free money and gives the otherwise unemployable mel and mcshay raking in the dough.

[KDawg]

Its about prioritization not about desire; about distribution of resources not about want.
When you frame what other people are saying you end up having a discussion about the wrong point.

Exactly, it's about prioritization. We needed a QB after Grossman left. Cousins was, assumably, the BPA on the board. The desire fits the priority.

We can assume Cousins was the BPA on our board because we drafted him.
But the question remains and can only be answered in time is: were they right to value Cousins, back-up QB, higher then some other players available that maybe could have helped the team?

Again, how do you assume Cousins doesn't help the team. An impact doesn't need to be immediate to be a help to the team. Cousins will provide depth should RG3 or Grossman go down this year. Cousins will be a leader in the locker room and someone for Griffin to have to learn with. Impact can be felt in many ways, not just on the field. You're also assuming that someone else that was available there that wouldn't have been available in later rounds would have helped us in that situation.

I made this same point in my post:
hence my question about using an immediate resource to address a future need.

It's not a future need if something happens and he needs to play this year. And, seeing how we don't have any crystal balls, we have no idea if that's going to occur. It's not likely. But neither was Schaub, Leinart and Delhomme all not playing for the Texans and having to rely on TJ Yates.

Because my question was about using an immediate resource for a future benefit vs using an immediate resource to immediate and future benefit.

How do we know he won't make an immediate and future impact. Whether it's on the field or not, he has the potential to do both.

The irony was for me was taking 2 QBs in this draft but none last year, and I'm not talking about Gabbert they didn't have 1 QB as BPA at any point in the draft last year?

Doesn't appear as though they did.

[tiger187126]

In hindsight I probably should have only responded to this point.
I think the 4th round is where Cousins should have gone and I thought Alameda Ta'aamu was the BPA for me Cousins and Ta'amu will always be linked.
The irony was for me was taking 2 QBs in this draft but none last year, and I'm not talking about Gabbert they didn't have 1 QB as BPA at any point in the draft last year?

if you thought another guy was BPA that's your opinion and that's fine, but taking a DT at this spot would have been looked down on because it isn't exactly a position we're hurting at.

and quarterbacks that don't fit what we want to do are not on our board at all, so it is possible that at no point a QB was BPA. there is a factor that doesn't show up on mock ratings and drafts and that's the factor of system fit.

we picked up the guard way before anyone thought he would go, (except houston who was looking at him right after us), but he was a system fit and we valued him higher than a oversized prospect who might not fit at all, like the tackle everyone was saying was the best player for the last 4 rounds.

[Koolblue13]

So everybody who is against this pick, is also pissed we cut Beck, right? Or are you just an advocate in favor of Grossman?

It's got to be one of these things.

How can people be so upset about who we picked with an extra 4rth round pick? Seriously? A 4rth round pick. We got top talent in the 4rth round!

[darrelgreenie]

Where are you getting the '4th round draft pick is an immediate pick' from?

Are you refering to this:

Why address that future need with an immediate pick vs using an immediate pick to attempt to provide an immediate benefit?

Immediate as in current or present day e.g. why use a current pick to address a future need vs using a current pick to address a current and future need?

A 4th round pick shouldn't be expected to make an immediate impact (outside of Teams that we have lots of bodies for).

To be clear I didn't say a 4th round pick should be expected to make an immediate impact outside of Teams here's what I said:

Back-up QB is typically a position that doesn't play as much as other depth/rotational players therefore cannot help the team as much and its unlikely (although we can hope) that Cousins even wins the back-up spot this year.

[Redskins Ruckus]

I didn't read all of the replies, but did anyone actually look at the board when the Redskins took Cousins? He was sliding down the draft and we actually stole him. I don't think drafting him was even on our team's radar until he came around. He was, by leaps and bounds, the best player on the board.

[Dieselpower44]

Add me to the crowd that is fine with this pick. If for some reason RG3 turns out to be a bust, I'd rather have another young QB that might turn out to be the guy on our roster. I really don't want our team having to play Rex or Beck down the road. It's a good move for the future of this team.

[bulldog]

look, I don't think the Redskins are going to win the Super Bowl in 2012, but this is no longer a 5 win team either with the talent coming in on offense. The defense already moved up from #31 to #13 last season and only projects to be better with a younger group with only Fletcher being over 30 now on that side of the ball.

So, the move for Cousins is strategic. Something smart teams do. Griffin is a mobile qb who will most likely miss some time during a 16 game season due to injuries. Over the next 4 seasons, Cousins if he turns out to be the player we think, will be perhaps one of the better backups in the NFL and can help this team win those games Griffin misses.

Then the Redskins can move Cousins the way Reid was able to move Feeley, Kolb, etc. over the years.

Fans who are thinking only about taking a particular position, say safety, when there are better players available simply miss how you win the draft.

This team now has a quarterback, better OL depth and a strong front seven on defense.

Those are the variables you need to be a competitive football team.

Would I like to see a true #3 corner signed in secondary free agency after June 1? Yes.

Would I like to see a TE signed to be the #3 as a blocker for short yardage and goal line? Yes, I think Logan Paulsen has not improved significantly since being signed as a UDFA in 2010.

But these are 'wants'. The Redskins can have a successful season if the players they have now live up to expectations.