theblaze.com- anti-bullying crusader attacks bible and curses christian teens

[Jumbo]

2 Timothy 3:1.But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: 2 For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, 4 traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away!

And turn away they did.

Disobedient to parents AND boasters? Pshaw!!!

That list seems quite the ipod mix. 'Course even though Timmer was one of Paul's faves and Paul fussed over him, it's no wonder some thought him timid---he'd be cautious to a fault to try to stay out of that list!

Been awhile since you dropped one of these.

Allow me to lob one back.

And it's not even from the Book of Jumbo, I'll just wing it.

Using scripture to serve as your tool for what is essentially your personal desire to tear at someone whose views you dislike isn't new. But it is weak. Rather than cloaking yourself in piety and a self-serving version of reverence, just man up and call the upsetting radical gay non-Christian all those same slams as in that passage directly (cue denial).

Though I can see it is probably convenient for appearance to "let" God do the name calling and you just relax and bask in the smugness of your own added closing line.

Did you heart swell with a self-righteous glow?

I can almost see the Church Lady doing her "superior dance."

Your "religion" posts often reek of the odor of pious, unfounded, and often hypocritical judgement. Considering smell shouldn't transmit over the internet, it's impressive, but it's only metaphorical---not miraculous. Your intended application to this guy of many of those traits in that passage you picked does not quantify who he is and what he has done in his life. Fail @ being God's Right Hand.

But why would you need to know that? You're just going to be a good Christian and judge him anyway.

Being well familiar with your posting on religious and other themes, I find your posts often serve as a stark example of how a representative of a faith can be such a negative figure to so many. Maybe the sanctimonious condescension you sometimes view others with for their flaws as you see them is just a reflection of your own insecurities, and of those traits being among the "darker" parts of your own self-image, projected unto another.

I often devote time and energy to supporting the positives of religion. At times like these, you remind me of the many things about it, and the people who wear it in rather ugly fashion so often, that are such an unhealthy part of the package.

[AsburySkinsFan]

He's an opportunist who blatantly cherry picks passages and cites them wholly out of context completely disregarding actual Biblical interpretation.
He calls it "defending himself" and his attacks on the Bible were as juvenile and full of disinformation as the same tripe we saw for years from Christopher Hitchens.
He called the kids who objected pansy-assed, and then uses snark to "apologize" for being insensitive to them all while giving an anti-bully speech....hypocrite.
You don't say "don't bully" and then turn around and bully others who disagree with you.
He was stupid, and he owes those kids an apology, because he arrogantly acts like because they believe homosexuality to be a sin then that means they are walking out because they want to bully homosexuals...that is the logic of a moron. Bullying is not disagreeing with someone's lifestyle, bullying is not disapproving of the way someone lives and acts, if those two things are bullying then anyone who ever disagreed or disapproved of anyone else's life is a bully, and that is stupid on an epic level.
I'm glad that he got to beat up some strawmen and that he scored some cheap shots on some high school kids, what he needs to do is pick on someone his own size.

[DallasCowboyFan156]

Lol wonder how many of the kids walking out just wanted to get the hell out anyways.

LOL. That's what I was thinking. I know if I were still in high school I might've walked out just so I didn't have to sit through a boring presentation anymore.

[scruffylookin]

I wonder how many of the folks crying that their kids were "forced" to listen to him and that they felt "backed into a corner" are the same ones who try and push religion in schools? I bet a good number and I bet the pundits and Faux News will be all over this with the usual "christian victim" garbage while never once having the brain power to realize their hypocracy.

He should have toned it down given his audience but his point is sound. People who use the bible as justification for their homophobia had better go back and actually read it and see what other things they should also be against.

[AsburySkinsFan]

I wonder how many of the folks crying that their kids were "forced" to listen to him and that they felt "backed into a corner" are the same ones who try and push religion in schools? I bet a good number and I bet the pundits and Faux News will be all over this with the usual "christian victim" garbage while never once having the brain power to realize their hypocracy.

He should have toned it down given his audience but his point is sound. People who use the bible as justification for their homophobia had better go back and actually read it and see what other things they should also be against.

Yeah beat up those strawmen baby!!! Oohh you got a nice upper-cut on that one.....yeah kick that scarecrow!!! Git dat thang!!!

[Corcaigh]

This reenforces the idea further that all Christians are knuckle dragging cavemen who think women belong in the kitchen and gays are the single greatest threat to humanity.

All Christians is a stretch. Certainly regarding rights of women. But what would you put the percentage at?

... given that many Protestant American churches dispute evolution and are openly hostile to gay rights?

---------- Post added April-30th-2012 at 09:48 AM ----------

Disobedient to parents AND boasters?

I thought it said toasters. I was unaware that grilled bakery products were an abomination in the eyes of the Lord.

[Predicto]

I refuse to criticize Dan Savage.

He is, after all, the man who gave us the correct definition of "santorum." For that deed alone, the name of Dan Savage will be spoken with reverence, forever.

[Rocky21]

The camera angle was great because it showed all those kids walking out. I kind of agree with the guy's message - not the delivery however. Also what another OP said is dead on. The content was probably better suited for a college, rather than a high school audience.

This is taken from an old Dr. laura rant but I like it because it references many outdated passages from The Bible.
When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15:19- 24. The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? - Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

[aamiha73]

Regarding Leviticus, the Old Testament law was given to the nation of Israel, not to Christians. Some of the laws were to reveal to the Israelites how to obey and please God (the Ten Commandments, for example). Some of the laws were to show the Israelites how to worship God and atone for sin (the sacrificial system). Some of the laws were intended to make the Israelites distinct from other nations (the food and clothing rules). None of the Old Testament law is binding on us today. When Jesus died on the cross, He put an end to the Old Testament law (Romans 10:4; Galatians 3:23-25; Ephesians 2:15).

In no way am I attempting to be pious or anything. I generally enjoy face to face convos about Christianity. Sometimes I just feel like there's more to the Bible than pulling out a verse and using it to reinforce a point. And I understand, all sides are guilty of this of course.

As far as the vid, it was pretty strong. I can understand a Christian's initial reaction to flee. I get it. I don't know if any believer in a high school setting is expecting a pointed statement like they heard. And maybe that's the problem. Maybe they should be ready. And instead of quietly excusing themselves when encountering opposition (no matter how aggressive or disagreeable), use it as an opportunity for more conversation.

[AsburySkinsFan]

Regarding Leviticus, the Old Testament law was given to the nation of Israel, not to Christians. Some of the laws were to reveal to the Israelites how to obey and please God (the Ten Commandments, for example). Some of the laws were to show the Israelites how to worship God and atone for sin (the sacrificial system). Some of the laws were intended to make the Israelites distinct from other nations (the food and clothing rules). None of the Old Testament law is binding on us today. When Jesus died on the cross, He put an end to the Old Testament law (Romans 10:4; Galatians 3:23-25; Ephesians 2:15).

So I as a Christian am no longer bound to have only one god? What about stealing and murder? What about adultery?
You are presenting a divide between Judaism and Christianity that simply does not exist.
If you would have said to the 1st century Christians that the law was given to the Jews and not to the Christians they would have looked at you and asked you what the difference was, because all the Christians then WERE Jews.
Jesus did not abolish the Law...He fulfilled it. To read fulfillment as abolition is to simply not understand the difference between two totally different words.

As far as the vid, it was pretty strong. I can understand a Christian's initial reaction to flee. I get it. I don't know if any believer in a high school setting is expecting a pointed statement like they heard. And maybe that's the problem. Maybe they should be ready. And instead of quietly excusing themselves when encountering opposition (no matter how aggressive or disagreeable), use it as an opportunity for more conversation.

When there is a forum where an actual discussion is being held them I would agree very much, but the speaker was not having a discussion at all.

[SnyderShrugged]

I dont have a big problem with what he is saying in spirit, but feel he could yield more results if he exercised a bit of tact and consideration before making sweeping statements like that.

What actually is in my head more on this is why he chose that topic when speaking on anti-bullying. It just doesnt seem to fit the reason he was there at all. What does anything he was speaking about have to do with bullying?

[AsburySkinsFan]

I dont have a big problem with what he is saying in spirit, but feel he could yield more results if he exercised a bit of tact and consideration before making sweeping statements like that.

What actually is in my head more on this is why he chose that topic when speaking on anti-bullying. It just doesnt seem to fit the reason he was there at all. What does anything he was speaking about have to do with bullying?

Well dontcha know that all Christians who believe homosexuality to be a sin are bullies?

[skinsdomination09]

that was idiotic.

his point was fine. I agree with it whole-heartedly, but god dang have some respect!

people who aren't fundamentalist christians still believe in the bible as a sacred and holy book, and that little chidish rant most likely deeply offended them, the same way gay people get offended when being told that homosexuality is an abomination.

I'm 1000% gay rights, gay marriage, whatever.

but im 10000000000000% respect, and this lacks ANY.

[Stadium-Armory]

Respect? Why should we respect any doctrine that discriminantes based on race, gender, ethnicity or sexual orientation?

Should the Nuremberg laws have been respected? I say no. Call intolerance out loudly for what it is and don't be shy.

[AsburySkinsFan]

Respect? Why should we respect any doctrine that discriminantes based on race, gender, ethnicity or sexual orientation?

Should the Nuremberg laws have been respected? I say no. Call intolerance out loudly for what it is and don't be shy.

Godwin's Law by page 4....certainly not a record but definitely pushing up the average.
You want to treat intolerance as a sin and call out the intolerant....and yet you don't see that Chrisitians are only doing the same thing when it comes to pointing out that under Christian teaching homosexuality is a sin? This BTW is what we find insulting and hypocritcal.