Question....Why is Troy Aikman in the HOF, but not Joe Theismann?

[Gart Monk]

Troy repeated and JT didnt. Joe had his chance and unfortunately failed as a team leader in SBXVIII. He would be HOF by now if they had won that game vs LA. He actually told me about them lounging by the pool and having cocktails in the week leading up to SBXVIII. Said the Skins didnt know what hit them when the game started. As a team leader, he must share the blame with the othe captains and coach staff. Those of us old enough to remember can recall that JT was very outspoken and a bit of a diva for that time period. Sometimes it worked out well for the Redskins and sometimes it didn't.

Theismann's tenure was a great because his stability at qb position was absolute. He was charismatic and had a high football IQ. He never got hurt until the horiffic MNF tragedy. If RG3 can be at least as good as JT, he will be considered a successful pick.

[Big Blue Joe]

your statemanet is wishy washy,, eli can not compare to dan,, give dan the defense eli had and dan would have 4 or 5 rings,, you should think about things you say before you say them,, therefore dan is the man over eli

Why does Eli Manning have two Superbowl rings while Dan Marino never even won one?

Road and Neutral Field Playoff Stats-
Dan Marino (1-7):
Comp 180
Att 336
Yds 2000
TD's 11
INT's 13
QBR 66.3

Eli Manning (7-1):
Comp 171
Att 277
Yds 1957
TD's 14
INT's 3
QBR 95.3

[DC9]

A lot of teams would be terrible with Curtis Painter or a 40 year old Kerry Collins as their starting QB.

This thread is about Joey T being in the hall, so I'll try to keep this short. I agree with you 100%... I'm just saying that Peyton has been the best defensive and offensive player on that team for over a decade and the best game manager in the history of the league in my opinion.

[clskinsfan]

If Aikman had not won 3 SB's he would not be in. His stats are not HOF worthy. He was however money in the big game. Theismann's numbers are no where close to HOF numbers and add only 1 SB win and that just seals his fate. The weight given to SB titles is probably unfair but it makes alot of sense. How does a QB perform when everything is on the line? Thats the difference between Aikman and Romo for example. Romo is a much better regular season QB. But the dude just finds a way to lose big games. Which would you pick to lead your team in the SB Aikman of Theismann? Its a tough choice but I think you would have to take Aikman.

[Grumtar]

Joe Theismann shouldnt be in the hof but Troy Aikman shouldnt either
Aikman without emmit was 0 and 2 i repeat O and 2
lost to two decimated teams in that season one being us in the petibon era
The Cowboys due to the Hershel Trade made out like bandits and there main compeition was the 49ers in the nfc championship game. The Redskins had to go thru the giants, eagles dlines that were very good in the 80's early 90's. I have even told a Dallas fan that Danny White was a better quarterback then Troy Aikman. Danny inherited an aging dallas defense and one wide receiver in his prime. Aikman basically hit the jackpot and still was 1-15 in his 1st year and i havent seen any other hall of fame qb have a record in his 1st year like that. Joe T didnt have that either

[Grumtar]

Joe Theismann shouldnt be in the hof but Troy Aikman shouldnt either
Aikman without emmit was 0 and 2 i repeat O and 2
lost to two decimated teams in that season one being us in the petibon era
The Cowboys due to the Hershel Trade made out like bandits and there main compeition was the 49ers in the nfc championship game. The Redskins had to go thru the giants, eagles dlines that were very good in the 80's early 90's. I have even told a Dallas fan that Danny White was a better quarterback then Troy Aikman. Danny inherited an aging dallas defense and one wide receiver in his prime. Aikman basically hit the jackpot and still was 1-15 in his 1st year and i havent seen any other hall of fame qb have a record in his 1st year like that. Joe T didnt have that either

---------- Post added May-6th-2012 at 11:59 AM ----------

Joe Theismann shouldnt be in the hof but Troy Aikman shouldnt either
Aikman without emmit was 0 and 2 i repeat O and 2
lost to two decimated teams in that season one being us in the petibon era
The Cowboys due to the Hershel Trade made out like bandits and there main compeition was the 49ers in the nfc championship game. The Redskins had to go thru the giants, eagles dlines that were very good in the 80's early 90's. I have even told a Dallas fan that Danny White was a better quarterback then Troy Aikman. Danny inherited an aging dallas defense and one wide receiver in his prime. Aikman basically hit the jackpot and still was 1-15 in his 1st year and i havent seen any other hall of fame qb have a record in his 1st year like that. Joe T didnt have that either

[OnlySkins4ever]

Neither belong and the same goes for Joe Namath.

[slats7]

Joe Theismann shouldnt be in the hof but Troy Aikman shouldnt either
Aikman without emmit was 0 and 2 i repeat O and 2
lost to two decimated teams in that season one being us in the petibon era
The Cowboys due to the Hershel Trade made out like bandits and there main compeition was the 49ers in the nfc championship game. The Redskins had to go thru the giants, eagles dlines that were very good in the 80's early 90's. I have even told a Dallas fan that Danny White was a better quarterback then Troy Aikman. Danny inherited an aging dallas defense and one wide receiver in his prime. Aikman basically hit the jackpot and still was 1-15 in his 1st year and i havent seen any other hall of fame qb have a record in his 1st year like that. Joe T didnt have that either

Er, what? When Troy arrived in Dallas, the cupboards were more or less completely bare talent-wise (just ask Jimmy). He took a tremendous beating his first three years in the league (including an 11 sack pummeling vs the Eagles in 1991), forcing him to miss more than a few games. As I've noted before, he doesn't have elite passing stats because that wasn't what was asked of him.

[ZRagone]

All about the rings IMO

This. The poster attempted to downplay it from the start....but really, that just doesn't work.

The fact is their statistics are relatively similar....but one has 3 Super Bowl rings. You can't just discount that as if it's not there when it's one of the biggest factors at times with people actually getting into the hall.

[Rufus T Firefly]

I 1 final note...
You could argue that if it wasn't for Joe Theismann, in knocking down the SB 17 INT VS Dolphins, the Redskins lose the SB.

I have to admit, 'he deserves to be in the Hall of Fame because he stopped the pass he threw from being intercepted' is one of the most unique arguments I have ever heard.

[tiger187126]

Why does Eli Manning have two Superbowl rings while Dan Marino never even won one?

Road and Neutral Field Playoff Stats-
Dan Marino (1-7):
Comp 180
Att 336
Yds 2000
TD's 11
INT's 13
QBR 66.3

Eli Manning (7-1):
Comp 171
Att 277
Yds 1957
TD's 14
INT's 3
QBR 95.3

Get your umbrella:



cuz it's raining cold hard facts up in here.

[pjfootballer]

There should be a minimum 1 week ban (in which you're encouraged to study the history of the game) just on bad fan representation when people speak about things they know nothing about which leads to Skins fans looking like Cowboy fans through many folks eyes.

Do people not realize Namath played injured nearly his entire AFL/NFL career? .....

I mean seriously when I hear comments like this I understand why other fans do not like Skins fans, we used to be more knowledgeable as a fan base.

I'll add that when he played at Alabama, he was Dan Marino, before there was Dan Marino. He was a two sport star in baseball and football before he hurt his knee. Rocket arm, moxie, great pocket presense and a winning confident attitude.

---------- Post added May-7th-2012 at 10:27 AM ----------

Redskin fans and players did not like Theismann. Joe loved Joe. He is the same today.

Redskins fans liked Joe Theismann. Most that don't nowadays only do so because of his time in the booth. It's jealousy. He knows more than them and they can't stand it. He was a very intelligent QB, a great leader and a guy who gave 100% on the field and never held back. I'd take a 1000 Joe Theismanns over 1 Jason Campbell, 1 Patrick Ramsey and 10 Mark Brunells even if he did fight his guts out.

HOF aside, I don't think Joe gets enough credit by his own fans for winning a SB and going to 2 SBs. No matter how big of a day Riggins had, had he not batted the ball out of Bokampers hands, we'd only have 2 SB wins. I know someone will say, "it shouldn't have been batted up in the first place," but AJ Duhe was the best LBer in the game that year and was playing lights out. Theismann saved SB 17 for us. He threw his body in there to break up the pass, just like he did against the Giants in the regular season to make a block downfield on a reverse.

[kingdaddy]

If Joe Theismann gets in the HOF then you absolutely have to put Ken Stabler in. I watched Joe Theismann's entire career and would not put him in the HOF. I would put Joe Jacoby in though. Jacoby was on an offensive line that went to 4 SB's and won 3 of them with 3 different QB's (Theismann, Williams, Rypien) and 4 different RB's (Riggo, Byner, Rogers, Tim Smith). The Hogs still hold the single game rushing record in a Super Bowl for a back (Smith).

I'd vote for Joe Jacoby but not for Joe Theismann

[MartinC]

If Joe Theismann gets in the HOF then you absolutely have to put Ken Stabler in. I watched Joe Theismann's entire career and would not put him in the HOF. I would put Joe Jacoby in though. Jacoby was on an offensive line that went to 4 SB's and won 3 of them with 3 different QB's (Theismann, Williams, Rypien) and 4 different RB's (Riggo, Byner, Rogers, Tim Smith). The Hogs still hold the single game rushing record in a Super Bowl for a back (Smith).

I'd vote for Joe Jacoby but not for Joe Theismann

I agree with you 100%. I loved JoeyT, he is still one of my favorite former Skins (not a fan of his commentary though) but the Hogs were the heart and soul of our team through the 80's and early 90's. Joe Jacoby along with Russ Grimm were the heart and soul of the Hogs. Jacoby certainly deserves to be in the HOF in my opinion.

[No_Pressure]

Troy Aikman simply doesn't belong in the hall of fame, I've never felt he did. I don't care about his superbowls or "amazing leadership" The guy was a better than decent quarterback on a team that had a great offensive line, good wide receivers, one of the greatest runningbacks of all time, an outstanding defense, and great coaches for the most part. Things could not have been easier for Troy Aikman. Sure you could say that they wouldn't have won those three superbowls without him, but if you notice that he's about as successful as Joe Theismann, then you look at what the Redskins did without Joe Theismann, you could make the argument that the Cowboys could have done well without Aikman.

Joe Theismann certainly does not belong in the hall of fame, but then again neither does Joe Namath but he got in anyway...