Yahoo/AP: Tough ID laws could block thousands of 2012 votes

[Kilmer17]

Such and arbitrary number. 12 days is okay, but 8 is an obvious attempt to limit minorities?

What happens if Florida refuses to listen to that court?

[Duckus]

Sorry, forgot to add this Ohio one too. As I said, once ALEC starts creating these model bills it spreads quickly. ALEC just had a big conference a few weeks ago in Utah and I am sure finding ways to enact laws like this were at the top of the agenda.

You will see this in 15-20 states by 2014.

In Ohio, early voting restrictions face legal test

(CBS News) In an indication of just how much both Republicans and Democrats have at stake in Ohio this fall, Democrats head to court today in an ongoing challenge with the state over early voting laws they say are designed to suppress Democratic turnout.

Wednesday's court challenge is the latest manifestation of a recent spate of Democratic protests over restrictions guiding how and when Ohioans can vote in advance of the presidential election, which they say could prevent thousands of people from getting to the polls.

According to a recent CBS News/New York Times/Quinnipiac poll, President Obama currently leads Mitt Romney in Ohio by six points, but both candidates are fiercely competing in the battleground state, which carries 18 electoral votes and is considered a must-win for any Republican hoping to win the presidency.

The Obama campaign, along with the DNC and the Ohio Democratic Party, announced last month that they were suing Ohio Secretary of State Jon Husted and Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine in response to new laws, enacted in 2011, which curtail in-person early voting in the state for the three days prior to November's elections.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-...ce-legal-test/

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What happens if Florida refuses to listen to that court?

Don't know. I bet one of the many ES lawyers can shed some light.

[Kilmer17]

Our Constitution says that Congress sets our ELECTIN DAY. Couldnt there be a challenge to the Constitutionality of expanding from a day to months etc?

If early voting benefits Democrats, why should the GOP stand by and accept it?

[skinsmarydu]

I don't know where to find the link, but Husted made all counties uniform yesterday, I think it was on Rachel Maddow last night.

[TMK9973]

Heres a question - I actually agree that requiring a photo ID is not a huge burdon....

However -what is the address on the license is different then where you are registered (Happens ALL the time. Students, people that just moved, newly divorced, etc....I went 3 years before updating my license because every time I went to the DMV there were huge lines, or I needed more paperwork, or etc.... But I registered to vote very quickly.

What about those that lost a license? Or had it stolen? Not everyone has a passport. If I lost my wallet a couple days before election day, Am I SOL?

If we determine that a photo ID is required, what are we doing about abstee ballots? Isnt that a big hole? Should we be more stringent on who is allowed to vote abstee? After all -People need to plan ahead.

[Kilmer17]

Heres a question - I actually agree that requiring a photo ID is not a huge burdon....

However -what is the address on the license is different then where you are registered (Happens ALL the time. Students, people that just moved, newly divorced, etc....I went 3 years before updating my license because every time I went to the DMV there were huge lines, or I needed more paperwork, or etc.... But I registered to vote very quickly.

What about those that lost a license? Or had it stolen? Not everyone has a passport. If I lost my wallet a couple days before election day, Am I SOL?

If we determine that a photo ID is required, what are we doing about abstee ballots? Isnt that a big hole? Should we be more stringent on who is allowed to vote abstee? After all -People need to plan ahead.

I think you are SOL. Florida requires a person to change their license within 30 days of moving. You can do it online. And I have never heard of anyone getting in trouble for NOT doing it.

And I agree that the absentee ballot issue needs to be addressed with stricter guidleines for use.

[mistertim]

Such and arbitrary number. 12 days is okay, but 8 is an obvious attempt to limit minorities?

If its such an arbitrary number to begin with why did Republicans suddenly take umbrage at 12 and decide it needed to be lowered?

What happens if Florida refuses to listen to that court?

Depends on how lucky we are...



Honestly, though...I don't think Florida has much of a choice in regards to those specific counties.

The law went before a federal court because five Florida counties are covered by federal voting laws due to a past history of discrimination and must have any changes pre-cleared by the Department of Justice or a federal court. Traditionally Florida has postponed election-law changes for the entire state until the changes have been cleared for those counties. But the state last year directed the state's other counties - including ones in South Florida - to start following the new law.

[Bang]

Our Constitution says that Congress sets our ELECTIN DAY. Couldnt there be a challenge to the Constitutionality of expanding from a day to months etc?

If early voting benefits Democrats, why should the GOP stand by and accept it?

Uh.. it benefits the people who can vote early for the reasons they are allowed to do it.
How they decide to vote is their business.
I know this is a hard concept to swallow, but this country is for the PEOPLE.
Not the PARTIES.

~Bang

[Kilmer17]

If its such an arbitrary number to begin with why did Republicans suddenly take umbrage at 12 and decide it needed to be lowered?




Depends on how lucky we are...
http://mlkshk.com/r/1P1L


Honestly, though...I don't think Florida has much of a choice in regards to those specific counties.

The Gov of Fla is a hyper partisan guy, with next to no chance of getting reelected. What happens if he decides to tell the Fed to **** off? He's already picked a fight and won with the Justice Dept over the voter purge law. (Won, in that the Fed Govt finally gave them the Dept of Homeland Security lists they wanted to use)

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Uh.. it benefits the people who can vote early for the reasons they are allowed to do it.
How they decide to vote is their business.
I know this is a hard concept to swallow, but this country is for the PEOPLE.
Not the PARTIES.

~Bang

I was responding to the poster who claimed that limitting early voting would hurt Dems.

What's the appropriate time? Should we start voting the day after the election for the next one?

[Larry]

I'm reasonably sure you understood the point of his post. Are you going to address it or just deflect?

You're new around here, aren't you?



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His point was that the only reason we cant have online voting is because it cant be secured. Which is the same argument the GOP is using to pass voter id laws.

And the same statement is true for absentee voting.

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It appears that the GOP is slowly moving to the next phase of their new "Southern Strategy" - restrict voting times and limiting voting locations.

Once "model" legislation like this gets rolling, it spreads fast through organizations like ALEC. You will start to see identical bills in states across the country over the next several years.

The good thing about these laws is they don't even try to hide behind any BS voter fraud claim - they straight up are created to limit voters and suppress turnout. Basically, Kilmers dream.

At least the courts seem to be protecting us a little bit.



http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/F...166524676.html

I'm not really sure I have a problem with that law.

Seems to me like it applies equally to everybody. And I'm not aware of any rule that says a mere eight days of voting is too few, or an excessive burden.

Now, I assume that it's actually a partisan law designed to help one political party, simply based on my low opinion of the people passing it. (And on their demonstrated, decades-long history.)

But I'll confess that I don't see why it's partisan.

---------- Post added August-17th-2012 at 10:09 AM ----------

Such and arbitrary number. 12 days is okay, but 8 is an obvious attempt to limit minorities?

Course, the opposite is also true.

What happens if Florida refuses to listen to that court?

Please, let's not go there.

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Sorry, forgot to add this Ohio one too. As I said, once ALEC starts creating these model bills it spreads quickly. ALEC just had a big conference a few weeks ago in Utah and I am sure finding ways to enact laws like this were at the top of the agenda.

You will see this in 15-20 states by 2014.

Now, as I understand it, the argument in Ohio (I may be thinking of a different state), is that the legislature passed laws creating one set of rules for some people (people who just happen to vote heavily Republican), and another set of rules for everybody else.

(I'm sure you'll be shocked to know that the Republicans are outright lying about the law, and about the Democrat's objections.)

I suppose that there might be a way to invent a better example of a law that is clearly unconstitutional. But I'm not that creative.

Yeah, IMO, the Ohio law is clearly wrong. But I don't see a problem with the Florida one (because it applies to everybody.)

[Jumbo]

First few minutes on Penn...and more later (like Ohio and varying voter access hours etc)


http://www.thedailyshow.com/

Daily Show: Democalypse 2012 - Cockblock the Vote

[Kilmer17]

First few minutes on Penn...and more later (like Ohio and varying voter access hours etc)


http://www.thedailyshow.com/

Daily Show: Democalypse 2012 - Cockblock the Vote

There is already a Daily Show thread. Do we need his partisan take in this thread as well?

[LadySkinsFan]

Virginia issued a valid voter ID card, from the state. It didn't have a picture but it was a government issued ID card and I used it to vote. So what is wrong with that?

Now Virginia has jumped on the "voter fraud" bandwagon and we now have to present photo IDs. So what happens to the voter ID card that Virginia used to issue? Well, for the primaries, they still issued the same voter ID card they always did. I didn't vote in the primaries because it's pretty settled in the Democrats who the candidates will be. So I don't know if I would have had to show a photo ID.

So now Virginia voters have to jump through an unnecessary hoop and show a photo ID when they still get the government-issued voter ID card.

It's stupid in the extreme.

[Burgold]

There is already a Daily Show thread. Do we need his partisan take in this thread as well?

Well, since Jumbo posted it... I'd say the answer is "yes"

[AsburySkinsFan]

There is already a Daily Show thread. Do we need his partisan take in this thread as well?

And considering that the video is completely relevant to this discussion....yeah....

I love the line from the lawmaker in Pennsylvania who said that the voter ID law will allow Rmoney to win the state. Nice.

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