The Fiscal Cliff thread.

[Larry]

Sure would suck if we actually cut spending to reasonable measures, wouldn't it? (not aimed at any one party; aimed at everyone)

Your definition of "reasonable" is . . . ?

[Jumbo]

Not going with the T word yet?

Tribbles?
Trilobites?
Tools?
Tosspots?
Teabaggers Left?
Towelheads?...oh! I got it! Tewwowists!
Wait...
Trolls?



I have met Murray a few times. She's one skilled politician.

[zoony]

Sure would suck if we actually cut spending to reasonable measures, wouldn't it? (not aimed at any one party; aimed at everyone)

23 and you've got it all figured out. congratulations on your achievement.

[HeluCopter29]

Sooner or later the Bush era cuts have to end. How we legitimized those cuts while fighting two wars is still the stupidest thing we've done in a LONG time.

Oh I agree. But we can't hurt middle class families in the way some of those taxes would.

[Larry]

Tribbles?
Trilobites?
Tools?
Tosspots?
Teabaggers Left?
Towelheads?...oh! I got it! Tewwowists!
Wait...
Trolls?

Either you are turning your backs on a problem which you do not wish to acknowledge, or you are not aware of the caliber of disaster represented by the presence of a pool table in your community.

I have met Murray a few times. She's one skilled politician.

Doesn't look it, from the picture in the article.

[endzone_dave]

Oh I agree. But we can't hurt middle class families in the way some of those taxes would.

We can't hinder middle class families from buying iPhones, Playstations and taking Disney vacations.

[Yusuf06]

I agree with Larry that this is economic terrorism, albeit a slightly less severe form. With the debt ceiling the GOP was threatening to shoot the hostage. In this case the Dems are only threatening to shoot the hostage in the leg. It sucks either way and it's politics out of the same playbook.

That said I'll mostly blame the Dems if they don't play their hand right. They have all the leverage this time and if we don't come up with a decent mix of increased taxes and decreased spending, say 35%/65% respectively, I'll be really pissed.

[HeluCopter29]

We can't hinder middle class families from buying iPhones, Playstations and taking Disney vacations.

I think you and I have a very different idea of what a middle class family is. Seeing that your location is falls church (and IDK where you've lived all your life) I'll take it your assumption is that middle class families are those similar to that of the NOVA area. If you go down towards central and southern Virginia you'll find that there are many families who struggle (and really don't) buy any of those things.

It's the difference between upper middle class, and the rest of the middle class.

[PokerPacker]

23 and you've got it all figured out. congratulations on your achievement.

36 and you're still an arrogant dick. Congratulations on your failure to mature.

[Larry]

Dumb question:

If we just extend everything, if absolutely nothing changes on Jan 1st, . . . would that be all that terrible?

Me, I don't see any indication whatsoever that this economy is being held back by the deficit. (Quite the opposite, in fact. I would argue that the deficit is the onloy thing keeping it from being vastly worse.)

Considering the "tactical situation", it's possible that any deficit reduction would hurt the economy. (And I will observe that the economy is the #1 reason why we have said deficit in the first place.)

Should Congress simply punt, kick the matter down the road by a year, and hope that, a year from now, the economy is a little bit better, and we can start weaning the economy off of the deficit then?

[chipwhich]

Considering the "tactical situation", it's possible that any deficit reduction would hurt the economy. (And I will observe that the economy is the #1 reason why we have said deficit in the first place.)

Should Congress simply punt, kick the matter down the road by a year, and hope that, a year from now, the economy is a little bit better, and we can start weaning the economy off of the deficit then?

Wow Larry, you are growing on me....you drinking tonight? You feeling happy thoughts because of Disney?

[endzone_dave]

I think you and I have a very different idea of what a middle class family is. Seeing that your location is falls church (and IDK where you've lived all your life) I'll take it your assumption is that middle class families are those similar to that of the NOVA area. If you go down towards central and southern Virginia you'll find that there are many families who struggle (and really don't) buy any of those things.

It's the difference between upper middle class, and the rest of the middle class.

Middle class families are buying plenty of iPhones and Playstations. Look at the numbers sold in this country. Millions of people don't live in Falls Church.

[Larry]

I think you and I have a very different idea of what a middle class family is. Seeing that your location is falls church (and IDK where you've lived all your life) I'll take it your assumption is that middle class families are those similar to that of the NOVA area. If you go down towards central and southern Virginia you'll find that there are many families who struggle (and really don't) buy any of those things.

It's the difference between upper middle class, and the rest of the middle class.

Just checking The Tax Foundation. For tax year 09 (the latest where the data has been released), the median tax return (not person. Couples who file jointly get figured in at their total income) was $32,396

[Jumbo]

36 and you're still an arrogant dick. Congratulations on your failure to mature.

Take a week off, my good friend, and see if you can tell the differences between what he posted and what you did, and how it relates to the rules as written.

[Larry]

Wow Larry, you are growing on me....you drinking tonight? You feeling happy thoughts because of Disney?

Pointing out that my musings involved no tax increases, and no spending cuts.