2012-2013 NCAA Football Thread (National Signing Day)

[Popeman38]

there's 6 2-loss teams in front of Ohio. They would definitely get passed over (and rightly so). But I missed the "BCS team" he said so I'll let this one go.

But, I also have a hard time believing that an undefeated team from the Big East would get picked over a 1-loss LSU, Bama, Florida, Oregon, or KState.

Does the Big East still exist?

[earl]

In earls defense, he is talking about the BCSCG, not week 2 of the BCS rankings.

I totally forgot about the big east. I'd rather see an all big10 MNC. 1loss big 5 conference is more deserving then an undefeated big east team. Fair or unfair i dont think they deserve an automatic bid. If that makes me an elitest, so be it.

[Predicto]

Notre Dame in the top five.

I have a feeling they're gonna get a rude awakening this Saturday when they play Oklahoma, though.

Notre Dame has been given a lot of gifts this year, and still barely won. Purdue could have beaten them, but choked at the end. Michigan should have beaten them, but turned the ball over six times, 3 in the red zone. Stanford took them to overtime. Brigham Young had it in the bag, but gave it away. Notre Dame really isn't very good. They have one great player: Manti Te'o. Their coach is a jerk. Meh.

With that said, how do you like your new kicker at ECU? He looks pretty solid, eh?

[Major Harris]

I totally forgot about the big east. I'd rather see an all big10 MNC. 1loss big 5 conference is more deserving then an undefeated big east team. Fair or unfair i dont think they deserve an automatic bid. If that makes me an elitest, so be it.

Why does the big10 deserve it right now?

[Forehead]

Penn State and Ohio State playing this week in the Sanction Bowl. Should actually be a pretty good game, but sad in that the two best teams in the Big-10 (at the moment) are ineligible for the postseason. And not a word from Michigan fans...Penn State has beaten Michigan the last three times they've played, and Penn State can actually defend the run, meaning Denard Robinson has to become a passer, which is about when the wheels come off. Bill O'Brien is a freaking genius with the offense he's put together even though the gun is missing a few bullets.

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Why does the big10 deserve it right now?

I don't think they do this season. It's kind of a down year for the conference, and the two best teams (as I said above) aren't eligible for the postseason.

[Elessar78]

Penn State and Ohio State playing this week in the Sanction Bowl. Should actually be a pretty good game, but sad in that the two best teams in the Big-10 (at the moment) are ineligible for the postseason. And not a word from Michigan fans...Penn State has beaten Michigan the last three times they've played, and Penn State can actually defend the run, meaning Denard Robinson has to become a passer, which is about when the wheels come off. Bill O'Brien is a freaking genius with the offense he's put together even though the gun is missing a few bullets.

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I don't think they do this season. It's kind of a down year for the conference, and the two best teams (as I said above) aren't eligible for the postseason.

Devil's advocate . . . how much of BoB's recent success has to do with no one having any tape of his offense to study and prep for? The pros do a lot of self-scouting because guys like BoB always look for matchup problems in the NFL. Is that common in college? OSU has a weakness in their LBs and secondary due to injuries, how are they going to respond?

[earl]

Why does the big10 deserve it right now?

They don't. its more a statement of how undeserving i think the Big East is. If you are suggesting the B1g 10 is equally undeserving this year, i totally agree. I feel the B1g 10 and Pac 12 Rosebowl tradition has always held college football bowl season back because like the orange bowls of the past it almost guaranteed to produce a lopsided matchup that frankly no one wants to see.

[Forehead]

Devil's advocate . . . how much of BoB's recent success has to do with no one having any tape of his offense to study and prep for? The pros do a lot of self-scouting because guys like BoB always look for matchup problems in the NFL. Is that common in college? OSU has a weakness in their LBs and secondary due to injuries, how are they going to respond?

I mean, that's both true and false. I know his offense is different to college, but he's basically running the same offense that the New England Patriots run. He trots out dual TE's on most plays, emphasizes quick slants, out patterns, and mid-strikes designed for yards after the catch. Kyle Carter is filling the Gronkowski role, and other TE's rotate in the Aaron Hernandez slot. Allen Robinson has become the go-to wideout, which is also a NE staple...Deion Branch, Randy Moss, Wes Welker...there's always one WR that puts up ridiculous stats while the others are mostly role players.

I don't think much has changed, people are just used to Penn State running up the middle twice and then passing on 3rd down (or running again) and can't believe this team actually trots out an up to date offense. Combine that with the fact that our defense hasn't been decimated by sanctions (mostly offensive players left, for those who aren't PSU fans) and can defend the run, and I think we have a serious chance at knocking OSU off this week. And I don't think Michigan could handle us this year either, but it's just an opinion that won't bear out since they're off the schedule this season.

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I feel the B1g 10 and Pac 12 Rosebowl tradition has always held college football bowl season back because like the orange bowls of the past it almost guaranteed to produce a lopsided matchup that frankly no one wants to see.

I think the recent (relative) dominance of USC might be coloring your thinking a little. Historically, it's usually been a pretty even split. The Big-10 won 6 of 10 matchups in the 90's, but from 2000-2012, the Pac-10 won 6 of 8, many of those being USC victories. 4 of the last 12 years, it hasn't been Big-10 vs. Pac-10, due to the Rose Bowl either being the BCS championship, or other commitments taking precedent, usually a B10 or Pac10 team being in the BCS championship, and no other team from the conference being good enough to take the spot.

Actually, looking back further, it favored the Pac-10 7-3 in the 80's, and it was even worse in the 70's. Man has USC been a real thorn in the Big-10's side. You have to go back to the 50's-60's for a real run of Big-10 dominance. Man, I'm just going to point to the 90's from now on

[The Evil Genius]

Let's put it this way..at home, against a west coast Pac12 team (that is currently 3-5) playing what constituted a 9AM game for Cal, tOSU narrowly escaped 35-28.

And they are the best of the B1G.

Yeah, I think it's fair to say the B1G isn't very good this year.

[Elessar78]

I mean, that's both true and false. I know his offense is different to college, but he's basically running the same offense that the New England Patriots run. He trots out dual TE's on most plays, emphasizes quick slants, out patterns, and mid-strikes designed for yards after the catch. Kyle Carter is filling the Gronkowski role, and other TE's rotate in the Aaron Hernandez slot. Allen Robinson has become the go-to wideout, which is also a NE staple...Deion Branch, Randy Moss, Wes Welker...there's always one WR that puts up ridiculous stats while the others are mostly role players.

I don't think much has changed, people are just used to Penn State running up the middle twice and then passing on 3rd down (or running again) and can't believe this team actually trots out an up to date offense. Combine that with the fact that our defense hasn't been decimated by sanctions (mostly offensive players left, for those who aren't PSU fans) and can defend the run, and I think we have a serious chance at knocking OSU off this week. And I don't think Michigan could handle us this year either, but it's just an opinion that won't bear out since they're off the schedule this season.[COLOR="Gold"]

Of course I agree. So what's the difference between BoB and Charlie Weis? Why couldn't Weis make the NE system work with a better crop of hand-selected recruit? I think BoB is a great teacher evidenced by his ability to coach up McGloin.

OSU LB corps and secondary is decimated by injuries, we have a shot. Meyer is no dummy, but apparently neither are O'Brien and Roof. Is Braxton Miller cleared to play?

I really enjoyed the "NASCAR" offense, just the simple fact that I was overshooting on my DVR amused me but each week is diff. He may not see that up-tempo gives us as much of an advantage against OSU.

[LeesburgSkinFan]

How do we know O'Brien isn't Charlie Weis? It hasn't even been a full season yet. Weis looked great his first season too. Just saying.

[earl]

I just think that in recent years because both teams are pretty much locked in to those 2 conferences it messes up the whole BCS matchups. sure the SEC has the Sugar and the Big 12 has the fiesta but at least they are only 1 team committed. there is the possibility of better matchups. Its just during the USC dominant year i would have loved to see them face an SEC powerhouse in a bowl. but instead they woud thump a B1G 10 team year in year out. and i guess same goes for Oregon. The only opportunity to really test the "west coast bias" was to play them in the MNC. Instead we are stuck playing the Utah's and Hawaii of the worlds in the Sugar bowl when IMO they were better matchups for say the B1G 10 champ. ( i do realize that utah did beat our ass that year). Every year as the the end of the season approaches I try to project the bowls and it seems like i'm always left thinking "man i would rather see game A and B but it won't happen cuz of the stupid Rose Bowl Tradition." Perhaps the best thing the playoffs will bring about is the death of the Bowl/ Conference affiliations.

[LeesburgSkinFan]

The playoffs are just adding to the BCS, not replacing it. We'll have two semi-finals and a final in addition to the regular bowl games. The SEC & Big XII are even starting their own bowl together.

[Elessar78]

How do we know O'Brien isn't Charlie Weis? It hasn't even been a full season yet. Weis looked great his first season too. Just saying.

That's why I'm playing the devil's advocate. We don't know what he is. He isn't 0-2 bill O'Brien but he isn't 5-0 BoB either, it just remains to be seen. BUT I'm probably all in with the idea that he knows how to teach the QB position.

[afkidd]

How do we know O'Brien isn't Charlie Weis? It hasn't even been a full season yet. Weis looked great his first season too. Just saying.

I think most people will give him a pass for the next fews years, considering the situation he came into, all the guys who left, etc. And it's not like Penn State has gone through coaches like ND has.