2012-2013 NCAA Football Thread (National Signing Day)

[Popeman38]

Joyners hit was totally legal. Bradhams hit was legal against miami last year. FSU just simply isnt allowed to layout players like that for some unwritten reason.

Launched, lead with his helmet, and hit a "defenseless" receiver. Other than those 3 things, yeah, perfectly legal hit.

This hit is what is wrong with high school and college football, and by extension the NFL. Joyner wanted to lay the Duke receiver out and be on SportsCenter. If he had fundamentally wrapped the receiver up and driven him out of bounds, the ball falls incomplete and he does his job. But since he wanted to lay the wood, he launched himself, failed to wrap up, and first contact was his helmet to the receivers chest. Naturally, it elicited the desired effect from the crowd, the FSU bench and his teammates. It also properly drew the flag. He did 3 things that have been deemed fouls, and yet here you are saying how great a play it was and how it was totally legal. When he launched like a missile and ducked his head, there was no way that play was within the rules.

[big#44]

Launched, lead with his helmet, and hit a "defenseless" receiver. Other than those 3 things, yeah, perfectly legal hit.

This hit is what is wrong with high school and college football, and by extension the NFL. Joyner wanted to lay the Duke receiver out and be on SportsCenter. If he had fundamentally wrapped the receiver up and driven him out of bounds, the ball falls incomplete and he does his job. But since he wanted to lay the wood, he launched himself, failed to wrap up, and first contact was his helmet to the receivers chest. Naturally, it elicited the desired effect from the crowd, the FSU bench and his teammates. It also properly drew the flag. He did 3 things that have been deemed fouls, and yet here you are saying how great a play it was and how it was totally legal. When he launched like a missile and ducked his head, there was no way that play was within the rules.

Ok buddy, he hit him square in the chest with his shoulder pad, ducking his head so as to avoid leading with his helmet. Idk what kind of defense or tackling the ACC wants but he certainly didnt "launch like a missile."

edit: and these are straight from the rule book on the matter. There is no "launching at a receiver penalty.".

"Targeting/Initiating Contact With the Crown of the Helmet—
ARTICLE 3
Approved Ruling 9-1-3
I. Passer A12 inside the tackle box is looking for an open receiver. Before
or just as he releases the ball, A12 is hit from the side at the ribs, thigh
or knee by B79, who leads with the crown (top) of his helmet. RULING:
Foul by B79 for targeting his opponent and initiating contact with the top
of his helmet. Ejection for a flagrant foul."

"Defenseless Player: Contact to Head or Neck Area—ARTICLE 4
Approved Ruling 9-1-4
I. Receiver A83 has just leaped and received a forward pass. As A83 is
about to regain his balance, B45 launches and drives into A83 above the
shoulder area with his helmet or shoulder. RULING: Foul by B45 for
targeting and initiating contact with a defenseless opponent above the
shoulders. Ejection for a flagrant foul.
II. As ball carrier A20 sweeps around the end and heads upfield, he lowers
his head and contacts defensive end B89 who is trying to tackle him. The
players meet helmet to helmet. RULING: No foul. Neither A20 nor B89
is a defenseless player and neither has targeted his opponent in the sense
of Rule 9-1-3."

Joyner didnt initiate contact with his helmet, and he didnt hit the receiver above the shoulders. Bottom line. It was a clean legal hit.

[Popeman38]

Ok buddy, he hit him square in the chest with his shoulder pad, ducking his head so as to avoid leading with his helmet. Idk what kind of defense or tackling the ACC wants but he certainly didnt "launch like a missile."

edit: and these are straight from the rule book on the matter. There is no "launching at a receiver penalty.".

"Targeting/Initiating Contact With the Crown of the Helmet—
ARTICLE 3
Approved Ruling 9-1-3
I. Passer A12 inside the tackle box is looking for an open receiver. Before
or just as he releases the ball, A12 is hit from the side at the ribs, thigh
or knee by B79, who leads with the crown (top) of his helmet. RULING:
Foul by B79 for targeting his opponent and initiating contact with the top
of his helmet. Ejection for a flagrant foul."

"Defenseless Player: Contact to Head or Neck Area—ARTICLE 4
Approved Ruling 9-1-4
I. Receiver A83 has just leaped and received a forward pass. As A83 is
about to regain his balance, B45 launches and drives into A83 above the
shoulder area with his helmet or shoulder. RULING: Foul by B45 for
targeting and initiating contact with a defenseless opponent above the
shoulders. Ejection for a flagrant foul.
II. As ball carrier A20 sweeps around the end and heads upfield, he lowers
his head and contacts defensive end B89 who is trying to tackle him. The
players meet helmet to helmet. RULING: No foul. Neither A20 nor B89
is a defenseless player and neither has targeted his opponent in the sense
of Rule 9-1-3."

Joyner didnt initiate contact with his helmet, and he didnt hit the receiver above the shoulders. Bottom line. It was a clean legal hit.

Glad you addressed all my points:


ARTICLE 14. A defenseless player is one who because his physical position and focus of concentration is especially vulnerable to injury. Examples of defenseless players are:
a. A player in the act of or just after throwing a pass.
b. A receiver whose focus is on catching a pass.
c. A kicker in the act of or just after kicking a ball.
d. A kick returner whose focus is on catching or recovering a kick in the air.
e. A player on the ground at the end of a play.
f. A player obviously out of the play.

To summarize, he LAUNCHED (a foul) at a DEFENSELESS RECEIVER (a foul), and it can be disputed he INITIATED CONTACT WITH HIS HELMET (a foul).

So basically, you are wrong. It was not a clean hit. Of course, FSU fans will defend the hit by posting, as you did, only the clarifying points issued by NCAA on hitting with the helmet a defenseless receiver above the neck.

The flag was thrown, as it should have been. Thanks for playing.

[big#44]

Thanks for playing? lol. silly troll. Launching is not, nor has it ever been a foul. Find me the rule that says launching is a foul. And it cant be disputed that he made contact with his helmet. The video clearly shows him making contact with his shoulder pad first. The only part that can be disputed is the defenseless receiver part, which contains a lot of grey area. Take off your hokie glasses and admit that ACC officiating is soft.

[Popeman38]

Thanks for playing? lol. silly troll. Launching is not, nor has it ever been a foul. Find me the rule that says launching is a foul. And it cant be disputed that he made contact with his helmet. The video clearly shows him making contact with his shoulder pad first. The only part that can be disputed is the defenseless receiver part, which contains a lot of grey area. Take off your hokie glasses and admit that ACC officiating is soft.

He LAUNCHED into a DEFENSELESS RECEIVER. The Duke receiver was laying out trying to make the catch. Read the rules I posted from the 2012-13 NCAA Football Rulebook. The receiver was the very definition of defenseless. That play gets flagged regardless of the uniform the player is wearing. That was not a soft call. It was a correct call, and it will be made 99% of the time.

Points of Emphasis
The NCAA Football Rules Committee has extraordinary pride in the Football Code, which was introduced in 1916 and has been updated several times. These guidelines form a harmony of agreement among coaches, players, game officials and administrators that places each contest in an environment of fairness and sportsmanship. It is noted that the Code emphasizes the following
unethical practices: “Using the helmet as a weapon. The helmet is for protection of the player...” and “players and coaches should emphasize the elimination of targeting and initiating contact against a defenseless opponent and/or with the crown of the helmet.” Every participant in the collegiate football scene shares a responsibility for ethical conduct that enhances the future of this American
tradition.

Defenseless Player
ARTICLE 14. A defenseless player is one who because his physical position and focus of concentration is especially vulnerable to injury. Examples of
defenseless players are:
a. A player in the act of or just after throwing a pass.
b. A receiver whose focus is on catching a pass.
c. A kicker in the act of or just after kicking a ball.
d. A kick returner whose focus is on catching or recovering a kick in the air.
e. A player on the ground at the end of a play.
f. A player obviously out of the play

You can laugh it off and say I am wearing Hokie glasses all you want to. The call was correct. It was a hit on a defenseless receiver. He wanted to light that kid up and make SportsCenter rather than wrapping him up and driving him out of bounds. Which, by the way, would have resulted in an incomplete pass and no penalty. Maybe Jimbo should coach em up on the fundamentals.

[ClemsSC7Skinfan]

Two things:

1) What is up with FSU fans on here crying about flags and overall reffing of games? Focus on playing football and being a fundamentally sound team and everything will work its way out. It's almost as if just because you aren't the FSU of the 90s that it is due to some weird conspiracy.

2) Spurrier's comments yesterday at Lattimore's press conference meant to be about him and building him up and just an all around good thing. He has to come out and basically be the D*%k that he is, man I am in full support of (since the time has passed) his complete and utter failure at the top level of coaching. I can only hope Clemson wins this year. I actually (being a Virginia transplant) support SoCar football in the sense of being glad they are winning in the SEC against the usual power house teams. However, with his comments I just really want to run it up on them if possible but it'll certainly be quite a challenge again because they aren't the same old gamecocks.

One thing they'll never say about the OBC when he is laid to rest "he was a classy guy"

[afkidd]

looks like the correct call based on him being a defenseless receiver and him leading with his helmet. if that happened in the NFL there would be massive fines.

[big#44]

Logan Thomas isnt impressed with Miamis home field....

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_r...mis-home-field

In the eyes of Virginia Tech quarterback Logan Thomas, gameday at Sun Life Stadium lacks a certain something. Talking to reporters in Blacksburg on Tuesday, Thomas gave his thoughts on playing in South Florida. "I guess the last time I went was two years ago and it's a big stadium for any team. I guess because 'The U' is the way 'The U' is now and not of the old ages, that it's not as full as it has been and used to be," Thomas said. "I don't know how to put it up against another stadium. It still has some sound to it, but it's not what you would expect a team that has a legacy like Miami to have. Communication should be fine." Thomas threw one pass in the Hokies' 31-17 win over the Hurricanes in their last trip to Miami Gardens.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

Miami didn't sell out home games when they were "The U." That's nothing new.

[big#44]

LT just said the same thing everyone else has been saying all year. Only difference is he had a reporter with a tape recorder.

[Popeman38]

Welp, VT just lost Thursday night!

[big#44]

I honestly couldnt pick a team to win this one tonight. My gut would be to go with VT, but I wouldnt put money on it. Both teams are so up and down. Hopefully both teams show up and make the ACC look good on national television.

[Popeman38]

I honestly couldnt pick a team to win this one tonight. My gut would be to go with VT, but I wouldnt put money on it. Both teams are so up and down. Hopefully both teams show up and make the ACC look good on national television.

Miami will put up 400 yds and 30+ points on us tonight. I know Bud had a bye week to get ready, but the back 7 have been atrocious this year. If we had a competent secondary, we beat Cincy and UNC. If we could stop the run, we beat Pitt. We can do neither, so we are 4-4.

And as crazy as it sounds, we control our own destiny to get to Charlotte.

[big#44]

I think Morris is coming down to earth after his big numbers earlier in the season. The last 3 games he's only averaged 193 yards passing, and his ankle still might be an issue which will limit him even more. He looked downright inaccurate at times playing FSU. If he puts up 400+ yards and 30+ points i'll be surprised. Duke Johnson was a little beat up to.

But your right VT still has a very legit shot at making the conference championship. Even if they drop 1 of their next two games they have a shot. Neither Duke or Miami are consistent enough to depend on them to win out.

[Elessar78]