2012-2013 NCAA Football Thread (National Signing Day)

[Spartacus87]

The problem with your analysis is that we beat FSU 2 out of the last 3 years, we beat Clemson last year and were in it right to the end at their place this year. It's not that we should be better than those two team every year, but the year you beat FSU and or Clemson, you need to take advantage of that and get to the ACC title game. The one chance to get to the ACC title game we had was 2010 but we choked it away against a not so good Maryland team that year. If we had won, we would have gone. That was the problem with TOB. Not taking advantage of the opportunity which is what a program like ours has to do to win an ACC title. As you said, we won't consistently beat those teams.

I can see where you're coming from. You're right, any year you beat FSU and/or Clemson, those are great opportunities to try and capitalize on.

However, I just don't think that's a fair measuring stick for any HC for that program.

NC State was carried in 2010 by Russell Wilson and FSU lost that game at the goal line due to RB Ty Jones not knowing the play call correctly and trying to take the hand off from Christian Ponder on a play action pass, causing the game ending fumble. Even after that debacle, the Atlantic division still came down to FSU/Maryland/NC State in the last couple weeks of the season, as all three teams were equally average that year (although NC State and Maryland were both being led by breakout QBs who wouldn't last at those programs, and Maryland had an excellent defense that year before their coaching turnover...meanwhile FSU was coming off the tail end of the Bowden years and rebuilding their program...so FSU was starting over in 2010 while NC State and UMD were at their respective pinnacles).

FSU also lost a nightmare game at NC State this season, but without writing an essay about it, that was a lot more of FSU losing the game than NC State winning it.

NC State won in 2010 by 4 points on an FSU goal line fumble.
NC State lost in 2011 to FSU, 31 to 0.
NC State won this year by 1 point on a late 4th quarter TD.

And against Clemson, since Dabo took over and they brought in Chad Morris, NC State's seemed to have Clemson's number fairly well, but Clemson was still up 62 to 38 by the time the 4th quarter started in this year's game.

My point is: TOB did a good job of getting NC State to play as competitively as possible against both Clemson and FSU in recent years, and it paid off twice in the last 3 years against FSU. But those games saw levels of play from NC State that can't realistically be expected on most other weekends, due to the overall lack of talent within the roster.

While it would have been nice for NC State to be able to use those wins over FSU and Clemson to try and steal an ACC title game spot, the inconsistent play and losses to teams like Miami, UVA, and Tennessee this year tell a lot about how mediocre the team itself is, not just the coaching. And the team is mediocre because the program isn't that great (through many factors out of NC State's control).

Overall, I can agree with firing TOB because he's been there since 2007 and at this point, Yow clearly wants to test other waters. But the guy took NC State to a bowl game 4 out of the 6 years he was the HC, and he had an average record in the conference. I'm not confident that NC State finds a new HC who will do more than that.

(Although if TOB was fired for any single incident, it would probably be punting to Gio Bernard in the UNC game this season...wow was that a stupid idea...a new HC probably wouldn't have done that)

Arkansas has offered Les Miles a 5 year 27.5 million dollar deal, which would make him the highest paid coach. Will it be enough to pull him away?

http://espn.go.com/ncf/conversations...oach-les-miles

I doubt it.

That would have to be one of the most shocking coaching pulls ever, if it did happen. It's a sizable pay raise, sure, but there are two immediately glaring problems with leaving LSU to go coach at Arkansas:
1- You can build a BCS championship contender with talent in your own backyard at LSU, while at Arkansas, you have to go into Texas and across the south east to recruit a top tier team.
2- It's not like by going to Arkansas he'd be getting out of having to play Nick Saban during the regular season, the only difference is that at Arkansas he'd have an inferior DL when he gets to that game every year.

[LeesburgSkinFan]

McMurphy: BREAKING: ACC votes to add Louisville sources tell @ESPN. Cards will be 6th team to leave Big East for ACC

[ixcuincle]

ACC = the new Big East

[MattFancy]

McMurphy: BREAKING: ACC votes to add Louisville sources tell @ESPN. Cards will be 6th team to leave Big East for ACC

Didn't I say last week the ACC should look at Louisville lol

[Hersh]

My point is: TOB did a good job of getting NC State to play as competitively as possible against both Clemson and FSU in recent years, and it paid off twice in the last 3 years against FSU. But those games saw levels of play from NC State that can't realistically be expected on most other weekends, due to the overall lack of talent within the roster.

While it would have been nice for NC State to be able to use those wins over FSU and Clemson to try and steal an ACC title game spot, the inconsistent play and losses to teams like Miami, UVA, and Tennessee this year tell a lot about how mediocre the team itself is, not just the coaching. And the team is mediocre because the program isn't that great (through many factors out of NC State's control).

Overall, I can agree with firing TOB because he's been there since 2007 and at this point, Yow clearly wants to test other waters. But the guy took NC State to a bowl game 4 out of the 6 years he was the HC, and he had an average record in the conference. I'm not confident that NC State finds a new HC who will do more than that.

(Although if TOB was fired for any single incident, it would probably be punting to Gio Bernard in the UNC game this season...wow was that a stupid idea...a new HC probably wouldn't have done that)

You hit the nail on the head. How any coach would punt to the best player in the stadium in that situation is beyond me. Lack of recruiting was definitely a huge issue with TOB and while we may not get the best players, Chuck Amato proved he could get a lot of talent to NC State. His failure was that he was a poor coach. Anyways, first up to interview today is the Louisiana Tech Head Coach Sonny Dykes.
Personally I was hoping for more of a defensive minded coach, but he seems to have had great success turning around that program in just three years.

---------- Post added November-28th-2012 at 02:14 PM ----------

McMurphy: BREAKING: ACC votes to add Louisville sources tell @ESPN. Cards will be 6th team to leave Big East for ACC

I preferred Uconn. The basketball season in the ACC in a couple of years is going to be ridiculous.

[DarrellsMyHero28]

I preferred Uconn. The basketball season in the ACC in a couple of years is going to be ridiculous.

If Charlie Strong sticks around, Louisville is a MUCH better addition than UConm.

[MattFancy]

So basically the ACC traded MD for Louisville. Pretty good trade

[DarrellsMyHero28]

So basically the ACC traded MD for Louisville. Pretty good trade

Upgrade if you ask me.

While I'll openly admit that I don't really understand the techinical aspects of 'getting' TV markets (besides the obvious of: if you have a school near a media market you 'get it') but UVA/VT almuni are a much stronger presence in the DC area. At least according to my totally unprofessional observations.

[Hersh]

If Charlie Strong sticks around, Louisville is a MUCH better addition than UConm.

I think that's a big if, but I was thinking beyond football and sports. Plus, who's Louisville's rival going to be in the ACC? There isn't a logical choice.

[MattFancy]

I think that's a big if, but I was thinking beyond football and sports. Plus, who's Louisville's rival going to be in the ACC? There isn't a logical choice.

Who was Maryland's rival? Virginia/Va Tech was much bigger than UMD/UVA or UMD/VT.

[Major Harris]

Didn't I say last week the ACC should look at Louisville lol

and I have been vindicated, along with others.

acc and their academic snobbery caved to money. i am now officially rooting for the acc to crumble and fail miserably. **** them.

fsu & clemson to big 12 make it happen.

[DarrellsMyHero28]

I think that's a big if, but I was thinking beyond football and sports. Plus, who's Louisville's rival going to be in the ACC? There isn't a logical choice.

Does that really matter?

Who was Maryland's rival? Virginia/Va Tech was much bigger than UMD/UVA or UMD/VT.

They never had one, just thought that they did

[The Evil Genius]

and I have been vindicated, along with others.

acc and their academic snobbery caved to money. i am now officially rooting for the acc to crumble and fail miserably. **** them.

fsu & clemson to big 12 make it happen.

Unfortunately, ULou is a good add when it come to sports.

But still, the silence on the perceived level of academics at ULou by the ACC snobs is deafening.

---------- Post added November-28th-2012 at 07:47 AM ----------

If Charlie Strong sticks around, Louisville is a MUCH better addition than UConm.

I think he's gone as soon as an SEC team or Pac 12 team calls. Heck, I think Arkansas or Auburn should have made a run at him by now. But they won't.

So basically the ACC traded MD for Louisville. Pretty good trade

Sports wise - probably.

$'s wise - who knows?

Academics - please.

But then again, I guess the idea that the ACC is about academics was just a front.

[DarrellsMyHero28]

Hell hath no fury like an 'eer scorned?

[The Evil Genius]

Hell hath no fury like an 'eer scorned?

In honesty, I think WVU is better off not in the ACC (and in the B12). That said, I think the fury is mostly driven by the alleged snubbing of WVU solely because of "subpar" academics. Something, that the ACC apparently has no problem with when it comes to ULou.

Of course, this might have been a move to solely keep the FSU's and Clemson's of the world in the ACC and from the ACC imploding. Who knows?