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[Warpath11]

I agree on the whole Clady thing he would be a good signing at the 8-9mil/year range. Clady is also in his prime years I think he just turned 26 and those have been the types of FA we have gone after. Though if he wants Joe Thomas money he can go elsewhere. Also would he want to play the less "glamorous" RT position? even if money was the same?

[Monk4thaHALL]

Also would he want to play the less "glamorous" RT position? even if money was the same?

Well somebody's feathers would be ruffled, either Williams or Clady - if they bought into the whole ego thing. And that's more the point for me, concerning why he possibly would not want to sign up here, less so just the money but because of the honor, or as you say glamourous.

[gorebd82]

Weighing in on the Clady situation, I agree that he's out of our price range. We can't pay a RT like the top LT in the league. Our system really thrives when there's two elite tackles and Shanny knows that. I believe that's why we went after Jammal Brown and even continue to hold out hope that he can fully recover. That said, chances are real slim that he bounces back. While Shanny would probably love to bring Clady into the fold, our FO and Shanny have shown a great ability to find comparable talents for better value.

Based on the track record of Shanny, the Texans, and Bruce Allen, I think that the Skins will elect to draft a RT rather than pay top dollar. Eric Winston was a 3rd rounder, Ryan Harris was a 3rd rounder, and Jeremy Trueblood was picked at the end of the 2nd. I wouldn't be surprised to see us pick a RT in the late second or even go BPA in the 2nd and RT in the 3rd. I think Polumbus is young enough and decent enough to hold that spot through 2012 and part of 2013 as we integrate a rookie into the lineup. That seems to be Shanny's MO.

He integrated Kory and Monty midseason. I wouldn't be surprised to see Mo Hurt or Gettis take that starting LG spot over the course of this season and LeRibeus become the starting center to begin 2013. Then likely have the rookie RT slide into the lineup during the 2013 season. I think Chester stays the starter for the next couple of seasons because he's on a decent deal and been our second best OL.

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Our biggest long term goal needs to be keeping a core of RGIII, Trent, Orakpo, and Kerrigan together as the foundation of our team. Those three fill the three most important positions on the team with top tier caliber talent. We will eventually win a Superbowl with that core intact. If Clady got in the way of that, we shouldn't make that type of move.

This is a very important point. Our FO is being very responsible with the salary structure of our roster. I can't see them overpaying a RT because that means they'll have to bite the bullet somewhere else down the line. QB, LT, OLBs will get huge contracts because those are our priority positions. Everything else will be handled with smart deal, draft picks and depth.

For our offense, RBs and interior OLs are dime a dozen. On defense, the same kind of goes for the secondary, but having at least one elite talent will make the defense special (think of the Steelers secondary with Polomalu as the only star). While WR, RT, DL, ILB are important, they seem to be second tier positions in our system, especially WR with our incorporation of the spread. I expect our WR corps to be addressed with a combination of draft picks and very good, well paid guys, but not the super elite guys. We're building a group like GB, NE, or NO with guys like Jennings, Colston, and Jordy that will get sizable deals, but we won't be targeting an Andre or Calvin Johnson $100 million WR. I think Garcon's deal fits that mold. Having multiple weapons will keep the salary allocation in check since no one will have the opportunity to get the amount of targets necessary to get the mega deal.

I see DL being approached the same way and we're already doing it. Cofield, Bowen, Carriker all on reasonable deals and the young stud in Jenkins. Hopefully we add another young stud and we can re-up those two youngsters in a couple of years on reasonable deals because a DL rotation has kept their snaps/stats from commanding top dollar. I think we're approaching CB the same way. Hall's deal is inflated, but I see him restructuring next summer and hopefully we can get Talib at a great value (due to Raheem/Bruce Allen ties, his behavior track record). We invest in multiple solid corners rather than biggest deal ever to a Revis type.

Safety and ILB are where it gets tricky because I think they approach that position very economically with solid, undervalued vets and mid round draft picks. But if we get a chance at special players like a Ray Lewis or Ed Reed or Polomalu or even Timmons, then we pull the trigger. Having a special player at those positions in our system can possibly vault a team to historically great.

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On Matt Barkley, I agree that he's not the top prospect in this draft. He's probably not even going to be top 5 in terms of talent. I don't think he's a #1 overall type of prospect, but I'd take him in the top ten. There's something to be said for polish, leadership, accuracy, and intelligence. I really see him very similar to Matt Ryan. He won't be the top QB in the league, but he could very well settle into the top 10 QBs in the league. He's a guy you need to put some real weapons around, but that may be a wiser decision that some of the super talented, but raw alternatives. Many times that raw talent is a player's undoing because he tries to do too much and I think FOs sometimes even neglect to put talent around a guy because he's got so much ability. That leads to the guy playing hero ball and cementing bad habits.

If I'm a team like the Cardinals, he's a great guy to have in that warm weather with big targets like Fitz and Floyd. I just wonder if he doesn't fit with Whiz. His system seems to ask a lot of the QB's arm strength. I do think Kolb is a bum, but many of the complaints I've heard seem to focus around his lack of arm strength (and also panicking in the pocket). Whiz likes guys with guns like Warner and Big Ben. I think that's part of why he prefers Skelton.

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Finally, I feel like most of the guys on people's wish lists will be gone by the time the Skins pick. Names like Joeckel, Warmack, Margus Hunt, Dallas Thomas, and some of the safeties that have floating around in this thread are already popping up as 1st round candidates. It's a testament to the eye for talent in this thread, but might be pipe dreams to wear the Burgundy and Gold.

[darrelgreenie]

I don't think its wise to chase players or positions when building a team.
You look at the team that you have and use the draft and bpa at positions of need to build your team.
Imo top of the line$ FA shuold only be used to put a team over the top or to solve major mistakes/plug holes that couldn't be addressed via the draft.
I think the bulk of FA should be young middle tier FA that are looking for an opportunity.

---------- Post added September-13th-2012 at 03:13 PM ----------

You draft as many good players as you can.
Signs as many good FA as you can.
Try to keep costs down.
Develop the players in your system and hope they blossom.

[DogofWar1]

Consider Clady, but we're going to have a tough time signing him. Orakpo needs a new contract, and if he explodes during the rest of this year we'll have to shell out money to keep him. If we didn't have the cap penalty, I doubt we'd be discussing this, since someone would have probably already been brought on board, probably Winston.

I think Polumbus is going to get right of first refusal for the spot, unless he really flops hard later in the season. We just don't have the money to chase down a big FA next year, and we're only going to get a starting RT if we HIT on an OT in the 2nd, which won't be easy. And honestly, unless our safety grouping really steps it up (or Jackson gets to come back and is playing great), I'd prefer our 2nd go to a S prospect.

If we're going after a big FA OT, it'll probably be in 2014 FA. Not really sure who's going to be available at this point, we're quite a ways off.

[HailToTheRedskins14]

I'm sure it has been discussed, but did yall see my boy Jarvis Jones dominate Missouri? Dude is a beast. Top 5 pick it looks like.

[gorebd82]

I don't think its wise to chase players or positions when building a team.
You look at the team that you have and use the draft and bpa at positions of need to build your team.
Imo top of the line$ FA shuold only be used to put a team over the top or to solve major mistakes/plug holes that couldn't be addressed via the draft.
I think the bulk of FA should be young middle tier FA that are looking for an opportunity.

I kind of disagree with this philosophy. I think that's part of what got the old regime in trouble. Sometimes it worked out, but we often overpaid guys like Andre Carter, Adam Archuleta, Randle El, and Brandon Lloyd based on what we thought they could do. Contracts tend to get inflated in the FA market so you end up giving a guy a contract that exceeds the value of what he's already accomplished and then hope that guy can outperform the value of that deal. So even a productive guy like Andre Carter came at a pretty penny that's considered a steal if he turns out to be elite, but is likely always a griping point even if the player does what they've always done.

Now I do have to admit that the current regime is making me reconsider because they are consistently getting good performance from those guys like Garcon (so far), Josh Wilson, Cofield, Bowen, Chester. But overall, I think we've set up our roster where we can mostly focus on the draft going forward. So I'd only really want to spend our money on elite talents. We have enough depth that we don't have to go to FA to fill holes, we should only sign a guy if he's a significant upgrade at the position.

That said, the guys I'm looking at next March are Talib and Reggie Bush. I think they both can come for cheap and be special in our systems on offense and defense.

P.S. Old regime also messed up a lot with trades more than FA signings. Jason Taylor and Pete Kendall and even Jason Campbell would've hurt a lot less if we hadn't lost 1st, 2nd, and 3rd rounders. Same thing with this regime getting McNabb and Jammal Brown. The key is to stay away from trading picks. Unless its for RGIII

[Rabsuz]

I'm sure it has been discussed, but did yall see my boy Jarvis Jones dominate Missouri? Dude is a beast. Top 5 pick it looks like.

I was saying that earlier, best defender maybe even all around player in the draft. I hope he goes to a team I like and not to a division rival. He is a complete monster.

[HailToTheRedskins14]

And let me throw in the annual - "Who can we look at at ILB to take over when Fletcher retires?"

I know he's immortal. Are we thinking that ILB from Texas (?) we drafted this past year is the guy? Man I wish Fletcher was 25!

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I was saying that earlier, best defender maybe even all around player in the draft. I hope he goes to a team I like and not to a division rival. He is a complete monster.

Being a (somewhat) reasonable UGA fan, I came into this season skeptical of all the praise. I've tended to be REALLY down on my Dawgs the past couple of years, so I wasn't expecting much from him when I kept hearing he was a Top 5 draft pick prospect. But I'll eat crow on this one. He's explosive as hell for sure.

[Dukes and Skins]

I'm sure it has been discussed, but did yall see my boy Jarvis Jones dominate Missouri? Dude is a beast. Top 5 pick it looks like.

There are two guys I love at OLB. One is Mingo and the other is Jarvis Jones. Both are guys who are going to be dominant pass rushers in the NFL

[Monk4thaHALL]

Tyler Eifert vs Purdue 2012:

[Dukes and Skins]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScLY4PTo83I

Watch the play Vaccaro makes around the 1:10 mark against Cal. That's athleticism right there

[Monk4thaHALL]

I'm sure it has been discussed, but did yall see my boy Jarvis Jones dominate Missouri? Dude is a beast. Top 5 pick it looks like.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BocaJ...feature=relmfu



---------- Post added September-13th-2012 at 06:02 PM ----------

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScLY4PTo83I

Watch the play Vaccaro makes around the 1:10 mark against Cal. That's athleticism right there

I think that Texas secondary as a whole has some talent with Diggs and Byndom but I think you're right with Vaccaro as maybe the most instinctual and athletic.

He's sized more like a corner than what I think of as a typical safety. You know I've seen a handful of interviews with him and he's quite diminutive, a bit skinny, thin - I'm just curious to see how he would hold up physically. I know he plays physically but that's a different thing.

Vaccaro had a pick vs Wyoming.

I saw Byndom give steps and get burned a couple of times vs Wyoming, I was kind-of shocked. So I'm hesitant to get excited about him and I'm feeling a stock decrease for him.



The 3 minute and 40 second mark is the Vaccaro INT. - FYI
Vaccaro tackle at 4:15 mark.
The 7:47 mark, Vaccaro gets beat cover the Slot receiver on a Post, result TD

[darrelgreenie]

I kind of disagree with this philosophy. I think that's part of what got the old regime in trouble. Sometimes it worked out, but we often overpaid guys like Andre Carter, Adam Archuleta, Randle El, and Brandon Lloyd based on what we thought they could do. Contracts tend to get inflated in the FA market so you end up giving a guy a contract that exceeds the value of what he's already accomplished and then hope that guy can outperform the value of that deal. So even a productive guy like Andre Carter came at a pretty penny that's considered a steal if he turns out to be elite, but is likely always a griping point even if the player does what they've always done.

Now I do have to admit that the current regime is making me reconsider because they are consistently getting good performance from those guys like Garcon (so far), Josh Wilson, Cofield, Bowen, Chester. But overall, I think we've set up our roster where we can mostly focus on the draft going forward. So I'd only really want to spend our money on elite talents. We have enough depth that we don't have to go to FA to fill holes, we should only sign a guy if he's a significant upgrade at the position.

That said, the guys I'm looking at next March are Talib and Reggie Bush. I think they both can come for cheap and be special in our systems on offense and defense.

P.S. Old regime also messed up a lot with trades more than FA signings. Jason Taylor and Pete Kendall and even Jason Campbell would've hurt a lot less if we hadn't lost 1st, 2nd, and 3rd rounders. Same thing with this regime getting McNabb and Jammal Brown. The key is to stay away from trading picks. Unless its for RGIII

Um, I don't think you're understanding my view.
The strategy I advocate is not the strategy of the old regime which constantly chased players and positions and did not focus on the draft as they regularly traded away draft picks.
My view does not rely nor count on FA to build a team.
Imo going after players like Clady, Talib and Reggie Bush is chasing and its merely a slight variation of what the Redskins have done.

[Monk4thaHALL]

Rutgers vs USF.

This is my first time watching Khaseem Greene.

cbs: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/p...khaseem-greene
profile: http://scarletknights.com/football/r...il.asp?id=3969
stats: http://espn.go.com/college-football/...khaseem-greene

---------- Post added September-13th-2012 at 09:41 PM ----------

Louisiana Tech runs the Redskins offensive system (or I should say) the Redskins run the same system as La Tech: shotgun spread, similar passing tree, pistol form, zone stretch, zone read, option.

I wouldn;t be surprised to see a number of draft eligible guys from that team on the Skins radar. Probably Quinton Patton is the most notable and perhpas the only one worthy of a draft selection. I've seen Johnson's name pop up a few places.

It's not surprising considering Lennon Creer was brought in to compete.

Quinton Patton - WR
Oscar Johnson - G (actually playing LT this year)

Hunter Lee - RB/H-back
Kenneth Dixon - RB

Steven Warner - C
Kevin Saia - G
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LA Tech offensive coor: Tony Franklin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Franklin_%28coach%29

Tony Franklin is well known for owning and operating The Tony Franklin System Seminar. His copyrighted offensive system has been implemented by over 351 high school and college programs in 44 states across the nation