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[Laron Burgundy]

Don't know where else to put this, but my frustration with the replacement refs is at a maximum. They are unacceptable and I think it's disgraceful the league has let it come to this.

They couldn't control this game. The level of dirty play from the Rams was disgusting and the refs couldn't keep the game in hand. The Rams just ran wild. I'd say I've never seen anything like it before but the exact same thing happened in the Eagles Ravens game earlier in the day. This was thug ball.

Player safety is absolutely an issue with these guys calling games.

Everyone was disgusted by the game. Even if we won I would be disgusted by it. I expect 3 or more Rams to get fined this coming week. It's awesome that the nfl, a multi-billion dollar corporation, is this stingy with cash. I don't know why they wouldn't want to keep it the status quo instead of drastically changing a ref's lifestyle with their full-time demands.

[ConnSKINS26]

Everyone was disgusted by the game. Even if we won I would be disgusted by it. I expect 3 or more Rams to get fined this coming week. It's awesome that the nfl, a multi-billion dollar corporation, is this stingy with cash. I don't know why they wouldn't want to keep it the status quo instead of drastically changing a ref's lifestyle with their full-time demands.

The full-time stuff isn't really what people think it is. The NFL wants a small crew of full-time officials to handle some things and to train new refs. The rest could keep being lawyers and ****.

But the point you make stands.

[stevemcqueen1]

Everyone was disgusted by the game. Even if we won I would be disgusted by it. I expect 3 or more Rams to get fined this coming week. It's awesome that the nfl, a multi-billion dollar corporation, is this stingy with cash. I don't know why they wouldn't want to keep it the status quo instead of drastically changing a ref's lifestyle with their full-time demands.

The level of discontent with the refs is really growing and the media is starting to raise their voices about it. This has got to be bad for business right?

It looks like sheer greed is the reason the league hasn't settled this. We've come to find out the old refs were indispensable. If this strike lasts and the quality of games keeps plummeting, the image of the NFL will be tarnished. People want to watch a violent, physical sport but they also want to maintain the balance (illusion?) of sportsmanship, and professionalism. They don't want to watch an actual vicious fight. They don't want to watch a bunch of thugs, cheaters, or bullies tee off.

The NFL is king for today, but they've really screwed some stuff up that will hurt the long term future of the league. The slew of long term neurological injuries, the ref debacle, illegal collusion, a perception of runaway greed with the owners, nationwide decline in gameday experience. It doesn't help the sport as a whole that there is all kinds of scandal at the college level and fewer parents let their kids play the game at the youth level every year. It wouldn't surprise me if in 50 years, the NFL was either a niche sport or football was a radically changed game.

[bird_1972]

After yesterday's game, I have to think that DL depth (and/or a possible edge rusher to replace Orakpo if he can't stay on the field) has now risen to near the top of our list of priorities next offseason).

Overall (no particular order):
DL
CB/S
ILB
OT

Very disappointed with the defensive performance (not sure how much of that was coaching vs. personnel)

[Dukes and Skins]

The DL depth is one of our strengths I dont understand how you can say thats on the top 4 you have. Only unless you are saying we need another game changer at DL which I can agree with

[Laron Burgundy]

After yesterday's game, I have to think that DL depth (and/or a possible edge rusher to replace Orakpo if he can't stay on the field) has now risen to near the top of our list of priorities next offseason).

Overall (no particular order):
DL
CB/S
ILB
OT

Very disappointed with the defensive performance (not sure how much of that was coaching vs. personnel)

I'd rather throw wr on that list. I don't know if it was just RG3's inexperience, but he would buy time and still have no one to throw to. I'm guessing our receivers just weren't getting open. Plus I'm firmly for Josh Morgan not being in the burgundy and gold as soon as possible.

[MartinC]

The DL depth is one of our strengths I dont understand how you can say thats on the top 4 you have. Only unless you are saying we need another game changer at DL which I can agree with

I think we have a good group on the D'Line but no one elite. However I would agree with you that DL is one of relative strengths on defense. I would say our needs are

RT
CB
S
OG
ILB (replacement for Fletch who HAS to slow down at some point)

We also have to make a decision on Fred Davis who is out of contract at the end of this year. He does not seem to to be a big part of the offense this year - though its a small sample size - so its going to be interesting to see how that plays out.

I would say RT, CB and S are clearly the top needs we have right now - and I would put CB and S ahead of RT at the moment.

[gorebd82]

I think one thing that's really being overlooked is that RGIII doesn't seem to have much help as far as outlets go. Fred Davis has been very disappointing to me right now. Griff is completing his medium throws and is hitting deep and scrambling well, but I don't see him consistently being able to dump off to the TE or RB and see significant results. I still think an outlet option that can take it to the house opens up the whole offense.

That said, Reggie Bush has now priced himself out of my FA plans. Look at the impact that he and Spiller are having. We need to put one of those guys on the field with RGIII.

[The Robert Griffin Experience]

Anybody in the Bush/Spiller mold that's a sort of under the radar and we can get at a bargain price? Ben Tate? But he doesn't seem like a good receiver out of the backfield, let alone a guy like Sproles or Bush that can split out and run the entire route tree. Helu can be that guy if he gets healthy, but will he?

[stevemcqueen1]

It would be nice to have an offensive speed merchant like that in the backfield.

That's a guy you are probably going to have to draft.

Anyone see Trent Richardson play this weekend? He's incredible. Worth a top five pick iMO. He's breaking the same kind of tackles in the NFL that he did in college. Imagine if we had a weapon like that. Well, probably no one else is going to have a weapon like that for quite some time. But regardless, the big backs with speed and wiggle at South Carolina and Arkansas get a little more appealing when I watch Trent Richardson play.

All of that said, I'm really satisfied with the play of Alfred Morris thus far.

In the receiver corps, I think Aldrick Robinson is a potential star in the making. He's demonstrated clear ability to take the top off of a defense and it's only a matter of time before he and RGIII get on the same page IMO. RGIII missed him completely open down field once and then he dropped that other bomb. If those two plays get made then Aldrick and RGIII have a monster day. I think those plays will come eventually.

If Aldrick and Garcon become heavily involved in the passing game, I won't be complaining about the speed and chunk play ability of our receivers any more.

---------- Post added September-17th-2012 at 04:35 PM ----------

Speaking of backs, I see a bunch of good ones ranked in a second round range on cbssports.com/nfldraft

They've got Lattimore ranked 25th, Montee Ball ranked 54th, Leveon Bell ranked 61st, Knile Davis ranked 59th, Eddie Lacy ranked 89th, and Andre Ellington ranked 83rd.

That's somewhat inexplicable to me. The only way it makes sense is if you accept the RB position is majorly devalued but I'm not sure it's devalued to that extent.

If those rankings prove fairly accurate on draft day, I see a RB being the overwhelming BPA when we pick in the second round.

At that point, I think you have to seriously consider going BPA and pairing a special running back with RGIII. Lots of teams with franchise QBs have been pairing them top talent RBs to attempt to create a really potent back field. In Houston, it's worked to scary effect and I think it's only a matter of time before it happens in New Orleans with Brees and Ingram.

---------- Post added September-17th-2012 at 04:46 PM ----------

Another thing that bears examination is the performance of our OL in yesterday's game.

For one thing, thank goodness Michael Brockers didn't play. Our guys absolutely had their hands full with Chris Long and Robert Quinn. That DL is going to be impossible when those three players round into form.

I'd be more worried about Trent getting beaten a handful of times by Robert Quinn and giving up the false start if I didn't remember evaluating Quinn myself and concluding he was going to be the most physically gifted pass rusher in the NFL. He is, even more so than JPP or Aldon Smith. He's like a more powerful DeMarcus Ware. Had Quinn ranked as the second best prospect in that draft class for most of the year and it looks like that ranking is going to be prescient.

Long is a hoss, we all knew that. Polumbus did the best he could against him but he's not going to win that matchup. Given the circumstances, I thought he played fairly well and RGIII did a good job of taking some of the pressure off him because of the ease he can break away from pressure and the pocket. Because of that ability, getting an elite pass protector at RT will probably never be an imperative. But it would be nice to get a real impact blocker in the running game.

To that end, right now my wishlist for that second round pick looks like this:

1.) Taylor Lewin
2.) Marcus Lattimore
3.) Knile Davis
4.) Montee Ball

[GWinSkins83]

It would be nice to have an offensive speed merchant like that in the backfield.

That's a guy you are probably going to have to draft.

Anyone see Trent Richardson play this weekend? He's incredible. Worth a top five pick iMO. He's breaking the same kind of tackles in the NFL that he did in college. Imagine if we had a weapon like that. Well, probably no one else is going to have a weapon like that for quite some time. But regardless, the big backs with speed and wiggle at South Carolina and Arkansas get a little more appealing when I watch Trent Richardson play.

All of that said, I'm really satisfied with the play of Alfred Morris thus far.

In the receiver corps, I think Aldrick Robinson is a potential star in the making. He's demonstrated clear ability to take the top off of a defense and it's only a matter of time before he and RGIII get on the same page IMO. RGIII missed him completely open down field once and then he dropped that other bomb. If those two plays get made then Aldrick and RGIII have a monster day. I think those plays will come eventually.

If Aldrick and Garcon become heavily involved in the passing game, I won't be complaining about the speed and chunk play ability of our receivers any more.

---------- Post added September-17th-2012 at 04:35 PM ----------

Speaking of backs, I see a bunch of good ones ranked in a second round range on cbssports.com/nfldraft

They've got Lattimore ranked 25th, Montee Ball ranked 54th, Leveon Bell ranked 61st, Knile Davis ranked 59th, Eddie Lacy ranked 89th, and Andre Ellington ranked 83rd.

That's somewhat inexplicable to me. The only way it makes sense is if you accept the RB position is majorly devalued but I'm not sure it's devalued to that extent.

If those rankings prove fairly accurate on draft day, I see a RB being the overwhelming BPA when we pick in the second round.

At that point, I think you have to seriously consider going BPA and pairing a special running back with RGIII. Lots of teams with franchise QBs have been pairing them top talent RBs to attempt to create a really potent back field. In Houston, it's worked to scary effect and I think it's only a matter of time before it happens in New Orleans with Brees and Ingram.

---------- Post added September-17th-2012 at 04:46 PM ----------

Another thing that bears examination is the performance of our OL in yesterday's game.

For one thing, thank goodness Michael Brockers didn't play. Our guys absolutely had their hands full with Chris Long and Robert Quinn. That DL is going to be impossible when those three players round into form.

I'd be more worried about Trent getting beaten a handful of times by Robert Quinn and giving up the false start if I didn't remember evaluating Quinn myself and concluding he was going to be the most physically gifted pass rusher in the NFL. He is, even more so than JPP or Aldon Smith. He's like a more powerful DeMarcus Ware. Had Quinn ranked as the second best prospect in that draft class for most of the year and it looks like that ranking is going to be prescient.

Long is a hoss, we all knew that. Polumbus did the best he could against him but he's not going to win that matchup. Given the circumstances, I thought he played fairly well and RGIII did a good job of taking some of the pressure off him because of the ease he can break away from pressure and the pocket. Because of that ability, getting an elite pass protector at RT will probably never be an imperative. But it would be nice to get a real impact blocker in the running game.

To that end, right now my wishlist for that second round pick looks like this:

1.) Taylor Lewin
2.) Marcus Lattimore
3.) Knile Davis
4.) Montee Ball

Ellington would be the best out of all of them. Need speed and explosion.

[bird_1972]

The DL depth is one of our strengths I dont understand how you can say thats on the top 4 you have. Only unless you are saying we need another game changer at DL which I can agree with

It is one of the Giant's strengths year in and year out but they continue to bolster it and have rings to back up their strategy.

Orakpo and Carriker's early season injuries (not to mention Nield's to a much lesser extent) are just reinforcing my opinion on the importance of drafting DL.

Another game changer would be awesome, but I'm not sure we're in a position in 2013 or 2014 to do that considering we no longer have 1st round picks in those years.

[~*JurgyFan*~]

I like this guy Jake Stoneburner, a TE/WR from Ohio State. I'm also intrigued by Margus Hunt. And an Ellington would be a good fit in D.C. anway!

[Rufus T Firefly]

I think we have a good group on the D'Line but no one elite. However I would agree with you that DL is one of relative strengths on defense. I would say our needs are

RT
CB
S
OG
ILB (replacement for Fletch who HAS to slow down at some point)

We also have to make a decision on Fred Davis who is out of contract at the end of this year. He does not seem to to be a big part of the offense this year - though its a small sample size - so its going to be interesting to see how that plays out.

I would say RT, CB and S are clearly the top needs we have right now - and I would put CB and S ahead of RT at the moment.

I think you pretty well nailed it.

[darrelgreenie]

I think one thing that's really being overlooked is that RGIII doesn't seem to have much help as far as outlets go. Fred Davis has been very disappointing to me right now. Griff is completing his medium throws and is hitting deep and scrambling well, but I don't see him consistently being able to dump off to the TE or RB and see significant results. I still think an outlet option that can take it to the house opens up the whole offense.

That said, Reggie Bush has now priced himself out of my FA plans. Look at the impact that he and Spiller are having. We need to put one of those guys on the field with RGIII.

I don't think you can fault Fred Davis for not being targeted often in this scheme.
I don't see how you can find a 'reggie bush' type player outside of the 1st round.
And even Spiller/Bush he took awhile to become 'playmakers'.
Again, I think playmakers emerge and imo drafting a player with the expectation that they're a immediate 'playmaker' is a recipe for dissappointment.