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[BobGriffin]

We need somebody that can take it to the house anytime that can contribute on PR/KR AND offense. Get them about 5-8 touches a game on offense. I think Kenjan Barner or Denard Robinson can fill this roll. They wouldn't be running the entire route tree or running the ball 20 times. We design plays to get them in space and have fakes off of that. If you had Denard Robinson and RG3 in the same backfield the trick play possibility alone would make your head explode

[NLC1054]

We need somebody that can take it to the house anytime that can contribute on PR/KR AND offense. Get them about 5-8 touches a game on offense. I think Kenjan Barner or Denard Robinson can fill this roll. They wouldn't be running the entire route tree or running the ball 20 times. We design plays to get them in space and have fakes off of that. If you had Denard Robinson and RG3 in the same backfield the trick play possibility alone would make your head explode

Not really.

At most you'd be able to get one of two "trick plays" out of it. Once you put it on film once or twice teams would begin to adjust an expect it.

And at that point, Dennard wouldn't be much better at a trick play than, say, Clinton Portis was when we had him throwing the football. What kind of trick plays are we going to design?

Furthermore, has Dennard ever returned a punt in his life?

Again; a lot of the love for Robinson is because of a perceived skillset, basically the fact that he runs fast.

Maybe it's just me, but I just don't believe in the "give him 5-10 touches a game" type of player. If you're not effective enough to play most of the time, how are you magically more effective when you touch the ball less than normal?

[BobGriffin]

Not really.

At most you'd be able to get one of two "trick plays" out of it. Once you put it on film once or twice teams would begin to adjust an expect it.

And at that point, Dennard wouldn't be much better at a trick play than, say, Clinton Portis was when we had him throwing the football. What kind of trick plays are we going to design?

Furthermore, has Dennard ever returned a punt in his life?

Again; a lot of the love for Robinson is because of a perceived skillset, basically the fact that he runs fast.

Maybe it's just me, but I just don't believe in the "give him 5-10 touches a game" type of player. If you're not effective enough to play most of the time, how are you magically more effective when you touch the ball less than normal?

You give them 5-10 touches on O because they also return kicks/punts and you want to keep them fresh. If Danard was paired with a non-mobile qb there wouldnt be much you could do but with a 6'2 220 pound 4.3 in the backfield with him there are ALOT of possibilities. I saw Notre Dame do this kinda sprint draw looking thing that worked beautifully. They have a mobile QB. They were in the gun and ran a sprint right running play to the RBs side and it looked as if he was leading. BUT before they got to the line of scrimmage the running back stopped and came back to the QB and took the hand off from him and the little contain there was on the backside the RB simply ran by with all the space. But I digress. A sproles. dexter mcluster type weapon would put our offense over the top IMO

[NLC1054]

You give them 5-10 touches on O because they also return kicks/punts and you want to keep them fresh. If Danard was paired with a non-mobile qb there wouldnt be much you could do but with a 6'2 220 pound 4.3 in the backfield with him there are ALOT of possibilities. I saw Notre Dame do this kinda sprint draw looking thing that worked beautifully. They have a mobile QB. They were in the gun and ran a sprint right running play to the RBs side and it looked as if he was leading. BUT before they got to the line of scrimmage the running back stopped and came back to the QB and took the hand off from him and the little contain there was on the backside the RB simply ran by with all the space. But I digress. A sproles. dexter mcluster type weapon would put our offense over the top IMO

kay, why couldn't we just run that play with a running back, like with Helu or something?

And Dexter McCluster's impact on the Chiefs is exaggerating. He's got 3 touchdowns combined, rushing and receiving, a one punt returned for a touchdown.

I think Darren Sproles is a lot more the exception instead of the rule when it comes to scat backs.

[DogofWar1]

You give them 5-10 touches on O because they also return kicks/punts and you want to keep them fresh. If Danard was paired with a non-mobile qb there wouldnt be much you could do but with a 6'2 220 pound 4.3 in the backfield with him there are ALOT of possibilities. I saw Notre Dame do this kinda sprint draw looking thing that worked beautifully. They have a mobile QB. They were in the gun and ran a sprint right running play to the RBs side and it looked as if he was leading. BUT before they got to the line of scrimmage the running back stopped and came back to the QB and took the hand off from him and the little contain there was on the backside the RB simply ran by with all the space. But I digress. A sproles. dexter mcluster type weapon would put our offense over the top IMO

Eh, I don't know about over the top. Improve, yes, but over the top would require a complete running back, which currently we don't have IMO (Morris is close and might develop into it, but not quite there yet), a top WR threat like a Megatron or VJax, and definitely a solid RT. Definitely need an RT for this offense to be able to perform consistently.

And everyone wants a Sproles style player, the problem is so few end up that way. A few years down the road a Robinson player would be a great pickup, adding another wrinkle to the O, but we're still solidifying the base pieces, on both O and D, and we'll need every pick we have to do it.

[Monk4thaHALL]

Terrance Williams

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Khaled Holmes

I want Holmes as well, but, I just don't know how impactful that ankle / lower leg injury will be to his season, playing time - vis a vis his draft stock.

Point being, the longer he lingers on draft day, easier for Skins to get him.

He's a communications major, which suits perfectly for one's center. Recently he stood up against the criticism laid on his replacement:

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoot...dy-cyrus-hobbi

By Tuesday afternoon, Holmes had heard enough of that narrative, and took to his Twtitter feed in Hobbi's defense:

To your point about "great" and the veil of perception: I'm liking the fact that a good, solid center like Holmes, with scheme specific fit, could be available to the Skins - particularly since they are missing an early draft selection.

But, in addition to that, per center - there's just so many late round interior linemen that develop into mainstays that, I've found it's sometimes counterintuitive. Different when it comes to tackle, as I've found.

So I've always got a handful of other centers. Plus, we can pretty much chalk up any athletic lineman who pops from the combine and postseason stuff, who likewise is mid to late round, like our Gettis and Compton.
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I've had my eye on Harwell for awhile. I've posted about him in the '12 and here in '13, here
But I think this guy is underrated.

http://www.muredhawks.com/ViewArticl...CLID=205458263

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#8 Nick Harwell
Position: Wide Receiver
Height: 6'1"
Weight: 193
Year: Junior
Hometown: Missouri City, Texas
High School: Elkins

• college football’s second-leading receiver in 2011 with 129.6 yards per game (97 catches for 1,425 yards and nine touchdowns)
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• He was a first-team All-Mid-American Conference selection last season.
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• Harwell was named to the 2012 Biletnikoff Award’s Watch List as college football’s top receiver
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• ... among Miami’s receivers, Harwell is the strongest bench-presser at 310 pounds

Right now he's dealing with some injury:
http://www.macreportonline.com/1/pos...challenge.html

Treadwell said Harwell has a leg injury. When questioned further, Treadwell said, “That’s the extent of my comment. He has a leg (injury) and he’s out. Next question.”

[DogofWar1]

Obviously it's rediculously early, but Walter Football has some mocks up through the 3rd round. In their two mocks, we take Skov, ILB and Hurst, CB in one, and Vaccaro, S, and Dobson, WR, in the other. Neither of those would be too bad, though I'd prefer the latter. Of course, knowing Shanny, we'll do DE in the 2nd and OG in the 3rd or something, and we'll all rage.

[Laron Burgundy]

I think as someone mentioned we need to be aware of the Orakpo injury. It didn't take much to turn Merriman from the most dominant pass rusher in the league to a mere afterthought on a limited roster. That's a scary thought because Orakpo has primarily been a bullrusher, a chest injury as severe as a tear might really decrease his pushing strength. If we expect him to come back good as new next year and he's just not the same, we'll be in some trouble. I expect the defense to fall apart this year as I don't think we have anyone on the roster who can even come close to filling Orakpo's role.

[Koolblue13]

I think as someone mentioned we need to be aware of the Orakpo injury. It didn't take much to turn Merriman from the most dominant pass rusher in the league to a mere afterthought on a limited roster. That's a scary thought because Orakpo has primarily been a bullrusher, a chest injury as severe as a tear might really decrease his pushing strength. If we expect him to come back good as new next year and he's just not the same, we'll be in some trouble. I expect the defense to fall apart this year as I don't think we have anyone on the roster who can even come close to filling Orakpo's role.

He is a work out warrior though and this might be a blessing. It'll force him to strengthen his lower half and running/ speed moves, since he won't be able to rely and constantly fall back on his bull rush. Also Merriman was a Roid junkie and when they took that away, he never recovered.

[stevemcqueen1]

If Robinson can truly be a hybrid HB/WR player who can also toss it in a pinch he would be perfect to draft. Unfortunately, that's a high wall for him to climb over. Not many players really fit that role too well, and I'd want to be certain he could be that guy before we draft him. Using a 2nd or 3rd in 2013 or 2014 on a player like that is a little tough to swallow too, since we're still hurting at S, CB, and RT. And there's some question marks too. Does Keenan Robinson develop into London's successor? What if (heaven forbid) Orakpo is not long for this league due to his injuries? DE needs more depth too, Golston was a huge liability in the run game last week. The interior of the line is far from set too, especially once injuries we usually have are taken into account.

Denard is a someone unique player. I think he can be a productive NFL player but it'll take an organization to actually commit to developing and using him.

I wouldn't say we're necessarily hurting at RT since Polumbus hasn't totally crapped the bed yet and RGIII has already showcased ability to extend plays by avoiding pressure. Plus our ground game has been productive. Really we're not hurting anywhere on offense right now, we're averaging 35+ points a game. But I don't totally trust Polumbus yet. It'd be nice to get a mainstay at his position, but it hasn't demonstrated to be an imperative at this point.

The reason we look terrible at CB and S right now is because we got rocked by injuries and an untimely suspension. Those are positions that will produce some solutions internally. We could add a corner for sure, but we're not really any worse here than the majority of teams in the NFL. Safety is a legitimate weakness but it would be for any team if their two starters got wiped out before the first game of the season. Tanard's suspension caught us with our pants down and Merriweather's preseason injury really hurt.

Personally, I think Merriweather could work out for us. Not so sure about Tanard though. Regardless, safety is a position you can fill with a mid to late round pick, so I don't see our need there as an obstacle to drafting whoever we want in the earlier rounds.

If Orakpo declines with injury, that's a bridge we'll have to cross when we get there. You can't draft an OLB early again IMO. Too strong a chance he won't get PT. Most defenses don't have two top notch rushers and they still produce. Kerrigan is going to have to shoulder the load until Orakpo gets healthy again and the DL is going to have to disrupt.

We also won't know anything about Keenan Robinson until he plays. We really have no indication how long London can continue to play. He seems to be actually getting better and more impactful. He could play for the next four years and it wouldn't really surprise me. If that's the case, you never give up on him and you happily take those seasons from him. And if that happens, any draft pick we make to replace him would rot on the bench. That's another one of those problems we're going to have to deal with when they get here IMO.

As of now, if you draft an ILB, it should be with a mind to add another difference maker to upgrade Perry Riley.

We're mostly looking for upgrades at this point--adding playmakers to a team without a ton of deficiencies:

- Upgrade over one of our DLs to add a disruptive playmaker
- Upgrade over Perry Riley for another playmaker
- Upgrade over one of our corners to add a shutdown man coverage guy
- Upgrade over Polumbus to add an impact blocker or at least a long term mainstay you feel good about
- Upgrade over Montgomery or Chester to add an impact interior presence in the running game
- Upgrade over Hankerson/Moss/whoever is supposed to be our other outside starting WR to add an impact type
- Upgrade over Morris to add a more talented workhorse
- Upgrade over Helu to add a more reliable and talented change of pace runner

What gore is talking about with Denard is a little different. He's not really talking about upgrading Aldrick Robinson or Roy Helu, although that's a part of picking Denard. He's talking about adding a new element to the team and our scheme. We don't have a WR/RB hybrid player.

If our FO took Denard, to me it would be a clear signal we're interested in adding a WR/HB role into our scheme. It would be an innovation.

[Rabsuz]

35 pages of Denard talk, damn guys.

We really don't need him, we have this guy who can throw AND run, crazy I know. It seems like a few of you are just thinking up scenarios as an excuse to grab him, which I don't really understand. Unless we are getting a pro bowl starter, we shouldn't invest a high pick in an offensive skill position, it isn't worth it at this current stage. We should get one of the many talented safeties in the draft, shore up the secondary a bit.

[Born In 93]

I want a SS in the 2nd and a Cornerback in the 3rd.

gonna suck seeing the rams use our 1st

[Dukes and Skins]

Obviously it's rediculously early, but Walter Football has some mocks up through the 3rd round. In their two mocks, we take Skov, ILB and Hurst, CB in one, and Vaccaro, S, and Dobson, WR, in the other. Neither of those would be too bad, though I'd prefer the latter. Of course, knowing Shanny, we'll do DE in the 2nd and OG in the 3rd or something, and we'll all rage.

Looking at that I'd rather have a draft of Oday Aboushi in the 2nd, then Duke Williams Round 3

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I want a SS in the 2nd and a Cornerback in the 3rd.

gonna suck seeing the rams use our 1st

15 years of RG3 > 2 years of no first round picks IMO

[stevemcqueen1]

15 years of RG3 > 2 years of no first round picks IMO

It's not so much the fact that we lost our picks for me, as it is the fact it's the Rams that will get to use them. After last week, I really, really hate the Rams now. I want them to fail. I want to Jeff Fisher to fail and get fired and I want to see Cortland Finnegan and Jo Lon Dunbar get what's coming to them. I also want to see Steven Jackson get his ass knocked out. And for good measure, I want Sam Bradford to bust and RGIII to go on to a HoF career.

[Dukes and Skins]

It's not so much the fact that we lost our picks for me, as it is the fact it's the Rams that will get to use them. After last week, I really, really hate the Rams now. I want them to fail. I want to Jeff Fisher to fail and get fired and I want to see Cortland Finnegan and Jo Lon Dunbar get what's coming to them. I also want to see Steven Jackson get his ass knocked out. And for good measure, I want Sam Bradford to bust and RGIII to go on to a HoF career.

I honestly couldn't care less about the Rams. If its a typical Jeff Fisher team they'll peak at 11 wins one year and then be mediocre for 8 other years.