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[Dukes and Skins]

Free us up to go RT in the draft with our second rounder.

But I dont think we will go RT in the 2nd. Its not Shanny's style. Even the almighty Eric Winston was a 3rd rounder, and there is good value there now

---------- Post added October-4th-2012 at 08:44 PM ----------

I would go after Clady in FA. Williams and Clady as bookends would be SOLID.

We can then maybe get Carrington Byndom, Xaiver Rhodes, Kenny Vaccaro or Baccari Rambo in the 2nd-3rd rounds.

Hate to break it to you, but Rhodes is a sure fire 1st rounder.

[DogofWar1]

I want Clady so badly, and I do feel like we should pursue him, but having looked at the extension talks between him and Denver, I'm a bit concerned. I mean, they tried to throw a $50M/5 year contract at him and he turned it down because guarantees weren't high enough. Guy wants serious LT money, and he'd probably play RT here, unless we moved Trent over. So probably not going to happen, with or without cap penalty, just too much money in two spots.

What do you guys think about these three guys in FA RT:
Phil Loadholt
Sebastian Vollmer
Jermon Bushrod
and are there any other names anyone's heard out there?

Brandon Albert is already in extension talks in KC, Clady is going to cost 10M+ per year, and Jake Long will never escape Miami.

Loadholt has been good for the Vikings, but he is much larger than our normal tackles, and probably wouldn't fit the system.

Vollmer has had some nagging injury issues, but nothing too serious. He's closer to the right size, but he'll also be 29 next year, so I'm not sure.

Bushrod is an LT, but might be able to slide over, but he apparently had some major surgery, and is going to be 29 next year, and I'd hate for us to have Brown 2.0 on our hands. I don't think it's changed his level of play, but I'm concerned.

[SJValleySkinz]

Clady isone of the premier left tackles in the NFL and will be payed as such. He will not be a Redskin

[Dukes and Skins]

Khaled Holmes is looking terrible so far for USC. Star is already in his head

[stevemcqueen1]

I want Clady so badly, and I do feel like we should pursue him, but having looked at the extension talks between him and Denver, I'm a bit concerned. I mean, they tried to throw a $50M/5 year contract at him and he turned it down because guarantees weren't high enough. Guy wants serious LT money, and he'd probably play RT here, unless we moved Trent over. So probably not going to happen, with or without cap penalty, just too much money in two spots.

What do you guys think about these three guys in FA RT:
Phil Loadholt
Sebastian Vollmer
Jermon Bushrod
and are there any other names anyone's heard out there?

Brandon Albert is already in extension talks in KC, Clady is going to cost 10M+ per year, and Jake Long will never escape Miami.

Loadholt has been good for the Vikings, but he is much larger than our normal tackles, and probably wouldn't fit the system.

Vollmer has had some nagging injury issues, but nothing too serious. He's closer to the right size, but he'll also be 29 next year, so I'm not sure.

Bushrod is an LT, but might be able to slide over, but he apparently had some major surgery, and is going to be 29 next year, and I'd hate for us to have Brown 2.0 on our hands. I don't think it's changed his level of play, but I'm concerned.

Trent's a better LT than Clady, I wouldn't be in favor of moving him to accommodate Clady. I think Mike believes Trent's better too, and he knows both well.

You're right, Clady will probably get north of 10 million per year. That is far too much to pay a second tackle.

Long should get paid more probably. He's not an option either. Same for Brandon Albert probably.

Bushrod is going to get overpaid by someone incommensurate with his level of ability. I wouldn't pursue him.

You're right to question Loadholt's fit. He's an inline man scheme blocker and I don't think he runs especially well. But he would be a nice mauler if we wanted to go that route.

Vollmer isn't really that much smaller than Loadholt though. He's like 6'8 and he's a big, lengthy pass protector. I think the Pats will try and keep him too.

Honestly, I don't think we find the kind of OT solution we're searching for in FA. I think we're going to have to draft our guy. I would love to get a first round caliber guy in the second round. It would have been nice to snag Mike Adams but we just didn't have the ammunition.

---------- Post added October-4th-2012 at 10:17 PM ----------

Good then don't get my point not my problem. Point being he failed a quater of the games so far against a division rival. the season is still young. And Funny how people fall in love wih someone with only 4 games Into the season.

Talib's appeal comes from the fact he had great seasons in 2009 and 2010, not four games.

[Dukes and Skins]

Tonight is proving exactly why I have Star Lotulelei has my top D prospect

[DogofWar1]

Of the safeties available in FA, what names are you guys looking at, if we decide to go that route?

I have Byrd, Delmas, Chung, and Phillips on my shortlist, with the longer list including Colt Anderson, Michael Mitchell, and William Moore. Tanard Jackson is there too, but he would have to be reinstated, and I'm not exactly holding my breath for that.

Goldson got mentioned too. I think he'll be commanding about 7-8M a year, since franchise tag will be around 7M next year.

For CB, I'd prefer DRC to Talib, because I think DRC is safer, and maybe a tad better, but the price might be a problem. If he commands close to 10M, I don't know if we'll be able to go after him.

If we're drafting tackles we have to go after Aboushi, even if it means trading up (hopefully there's a slow draft for tackles like last year). Guy could probably match Polumbus from day one, and surpass him handily by mid-season. After that, I was looking at Pugh from Syracuse or Yankey from Stanford, and maybe Nixon from Florida. He's developmental, but athletic.

[Dukes and Skins]

Have scouted Pugh from Syracuse and wasn't terribly impressed. If it was between him and Aboushi I'm taking Aboushi every time and 2 times on sunday

[DogofWar1]

Have scouted Pugh from Syracuse and wasn't terribly impressed. If it was between him and Aboushi I'm taking Aboushi every time and 2 times on sunday

Oh definitely. Pugh and Yankey I view as more of mid round, late 2nd day at the earliest prospects, while Aboushi is early 2nd day at the latest. Nixon is a 3rd day guy, but might be worth a look anyway.

[Dukes and Skins]

Oh definitely. Pugh and Yankey I view as more of mid round, late 2nd day at the earliest prospects, while Aboushi is early 2nd day at the latest. Nixon is a 3rd day guy, but might be worth a look anyway.

Nixon was one of those guys who had so much potential, flashed it and then has just struggled since then

[GWinSkins83]

I had question not answered yet. Can we somehow give out a big contract but small base salary next year n just push it to 2014. I mean we could somehow convince free agents too take less the first year n bonus it out n get paid in the second year right. If that's the case I don't see why we can't get a Talib or DRC, Delmas or Byrd, and Clady. Maybe Clady gives Mike a discount. I mean we are getting by with only paying our Franchise QB 6 million a year. That kind of free agency would set us up as title contenders too.

[Dukes and Skins]

I had question not answered yet. Can we somehow give out a big contract but small base salary next year n just push it to 2014. I mean we could somehow convince free agents too take less the first year n bonus it out n get paid in the second year right. If that's the case I don't see why we can't get a Talib or DRC, Delmas or Byrd, and Clady. Maybe Clady gives Mike a discount. I mean we are getting by with only paying our Franchise QB 6 million a year. That kind of free agency would set us up as title contenders too.

I mean you can, but it is hard sometimes to get players to agree to that. They are gonna want more money up front and we just can't seem to afford that

[DogofWar1]

I had question not answered yet. Can we somehow give out a big contract but small base salary next year n just push it to 2014. I mean we could somehow convince free agents too take less the first year n bonus it out n get paid in the second year right. If that's the case I don't see why we can't get a Talib or DRC, Delmas or Byrd, and Clady. Maybe Clady gives Mike a discount. I mean we are getting by with only paying our Franchise QB 6 million a year. That kind of free agency would set us up as title contenders too.

Guaranteed money probably goes way up if we backload contracts. Agents will, rightfully, advise their clients to get while the getting's good, and if they end up injured or something and can't play, they don't want to miss out on a big chunk of their contract because they accepted a backloaded deal.

That being said, I'd probably be fine with a backloaded, high guarantee deal for DRC, but not for Talib. Talib has too high of a suspension risk. Clady won't be giving Mike a discount either, unfortunately, he wants his money.

Safeties usually come in around 6-7M a year anyway, not too terribly expensive, so I don't think we'd need to backload more than one year at the most. It's the 10M a year CBs and OTs that are the problem.

[stevemcqueen1]

Have scouted Pugh from Syracuse and wasn't terribly impressed. If it was between him and Aboushi I'm taking Aboushi every time and 2 times on sunday

I thinnk Aboushi is going to go early in the first round. He's had three games this year where he straight up dominated: GT, TCU, and Penn State. It was early first round film. Plus he's a senior captain. He has the motor and attitude of an NFL player--he already looks like an NFL player today.

Nixon is definitely interesting to me. I would love to be able to see where he goes on draft day. Nothing would surprise me right now. From top 16 to the late rounds.

---------- Post added October-4th-2012 at 11:30 PM ----------

Right now, there really aren't a lot of worthwhile safeties in the NFL period. Who are the great ones?

The days of Bob Sanders and Troy Pol and Ed Reed winning DPOYs and getting paid top scratch are probably over. The game has evolved. One of your safeties draws box duty a ton and has limited coverages and the other is basically a converted CB because of the coverage responsibilities. That's the case for probably 3/4 of the league.

You run corner heavy packages to defend the spread and draft physical corners who can blitz and tackle. The cornerback has increased in draft and contract value across your entire depth chart, while the safety has gone back to the old days of positional value. Teams would rather have their three or four best DBs be corners than some be safeties.

We can effectively bring our safety play to a league average with minimal resource investment. Draft a physical college corner with some size and move him to free safety, move Gomes to strong saftey or see what you've got in Bernstine and you'll be fine. Or better yet, go out and get a man coverage stud corner and convert Deangelo to free safety/slot defense. You could improve our safeties by first improving the CBs and kill two birds with one stone.

[windsofcreation]

One of your safeties draws box duty a ton and has limited coverages and the other is basically a converted CB because of the coverage responsibilities. That's the case for probably 3/4 of the league.

Since you mentioned the game evolving, I think I would rather have 2 safeties that can cover vs. having one whose strength lies in run support.

I'll take an 8-yard run over a 25-yard pass any day. But then again, if you have a LAME DUCK who never plays it safe with 2-deep shell I guess it doesn't matter who the hell we have back there.