2013 Comprehensive NFL Draft Database

[The Robert Griffin Experience]

Part of me wants to just say, damn the torpedoes, the D will suck, let's build a complete juggernaut on offense for next season. Go out and get a RT like Aboushi/Matthews/Lewan, Patton, and Montee Ball with our first three picks and score 40 points a game.

With a new DC and some money spent on corner (DRC and Talib, move Hall to FS) and a healthy Rak, we could have a defense that's top 16ish, but gets lots of takeaways and sacks, similar to the 2009, except far more talented.

If you want a pass-rushing disruptive 3-4, you don't even have to move personnel around too much - Carriker, Cofield, Bowen and Jenkins are all athletic for their size, they're just not J.J Watt or Haloti Ngata athletic freaks.

Also, in round 3, I'd go with a Zach Ertz over a Patton. Ertz could be our Gronk, and he could easily fall to us with Fauria and Eifert there. He might not come out though.

I still want Margus Hunt and am hoping he falls to late 3rd/early 4th, but he might sneak into round 2, he's playing pretty well right now, and he's inevitably going to blow the combine away. I'd definitely also look at Tevin Reese at that spot, and he could also be our returner of the future if Robinson can't seize that spot.

Basically, my first 3 picks would be:

Best RT on board
Zach Ertz/Margus Hunt
Margus Hunt/Mike Gillislee/Tevin Reese

On top of signing DRC/Talib and moving Hall to FS, and hoping Gomes can hold down the fort at SS, though we can draft a guy like Brandon Bishop round 5 for competition.

I like the idea of just loading up on O and then focusing on creating sacks and turnovers, and we have the personnel to do it with a more aggressive scheme.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

Can't see Jefferson declaring until 2014. He's still learning the safety position and I think he'll take his senior year for the extra experience in Norman.

Hail.

[Monk4thaHALL]

Look at CBS's wide receivers ranked in the top 100 this year:

10 *Keenan Allen
13 *Justin Hunter
16 *Robert Woods
26 Terrance Williams
44 *Da'Rick Rogers
48 *Cordarrelle Patterson
53 Tavon Austin
69 *DeAndre Hopkins
74 Aaron Dobson
80 *Kenny Stills
94 *Marquess Wilson
98 Quinton Patton
99 Denard Robinson

This is a really, really, really good WR year for the first half of the draft. You can probably get a beast outside starting receiver late in the third this year.

In general, I think the offensive side of the ball is way stronger than the defensive side in this year's draft. I think you've probably got ~ 15 WRs, ~16 offensive linemen, maybe 9 or 10 QBs, 3 TEs, and probably 9 or 10 RBs going in the first 100 picks.

Yep, The wide receiver class looks special this year. I've been steadily thinking that a really good WR will slide on draft day because teams will inevitably grab for some need, leaving a BPA, maybe a receiver, who will be there for whoever is lucky.

I mean if Da'Rick Rogers is sitting there in the 2nd, that's what I'm talking about. He's definitely a 1st round talent. I wouldn't be surprised if someone rolls the dice with him in the 1st, it's probable.

Same vein with Tavon Austin there in the 2nd round.

Another name needed on that top 100 list for receivers is Brandon Coleman - IMO, from Rutgers. He looks special out there. His size, height and length and the way he can move. A real good athlete for his size. 6'6" and 220+ lbs. He's a redshirt Soph, so he's draft eligible but not sure if he'll enter early.

Stedman Bailey probably also belongs in the top 100, as per CBS is concerned.

[Rabsuz]

Denard Robinson in the NFL is such a joke, I can think of about a hundred better QBs than him in the NCAA and I can think of about 50 players I would rather take a shot at for receiver. He is really horribly overrated and it's apparent when you actually watch him play. The fact someone put him in the top 100 for receivers is laughable at best.

[Monk4thaHALL]

As an aside, anyone know why Marquess Wilson has tumbled so much this year? I haven't followed his program at all nor seen him play this season. Why is he being projected in the third round now?

It might be just a draftnik phenomenon rather than reflective of something the talent evaluators are saying. He's had some moments of immaturity and pouting on the field when things weren't going his way. Coupled with some drops of his, TD drops and other receivers on the team making catches. (Here's one reason why I think it's more draftnik): Also the Leach offense not exploding for 1,000 yards a game, actually being a bit anemic at times and team losses - I think that's devalued him a bit. Fans and draftniks use arbitrary things like team success to unfairly devalue a player. Though he is a bit light and skinny anatomically speaking, so compared to the bigger receivers, people might be weary of that.

---------- Post added October-14th-2012 at 01:18 PM ----------

Can't see Jefferson declaring until 2014. He's still learning the safety position and I think he'll take his senior year for the extra experience in Norman.

Hail.

He had experience even last year with safety. I think it was 2010 when he was just a nickel corner. But, ...

Stock is a funny thing. Rambo probably would have been a surefire 3rd rounder last year, if you believe the draft advisory board, and I do. This year, after the suspension and now the vaunted UGA defense getting scored on at will, there's more and more guys moving up that make me think Rambo is more expendable, less of a necessity. For example Swearinger, I think he goes before Rambo. He came back and looked noticeably lighter and skinnier, less muscle. And I actually like Rambo, have stood up for him in here. But there's reason to think a slide is on.

Point being the longer you wait, sometimes the cooler the fire gets. Right now, I don't think Jefferson's stock goes any higher with additional time in the system, another year. I mean maybe he gets gaudy stats for his Senior year. But, He's projected in the 2nd. If he goes back for another year, it just allows for another crop of new faces to become more fashionable.

Not that I think it will sway his decision. He's a true Junior so maybe the only thing that matters to him is graduating from a fine institution like Oklahoma. Maybe he's grounded like that and wants that degree. So more power to him.

I like the interviews he gives, I know he's all about football and he's serious about it. He was an avid twitter guy, he gave it up to focus on football, I like that.

But I'm saying you're not going to confuse him with Swearinger. There's physical limitation to everyone and with Jefferson, he's not Eric Reid and I don't think another year will make him like Reid. So no matter how long he waits the next Reid will be coveted ahead of him due to physical tools, pure athletic ability, size, power tackles, etc.

So I'd take a chance that someone would select me in the 2nd or 3rd if that's a realistic opportunity, rather than the dream shot of elevating into the 1st, because there's always the chance that injury occurs or you find yourself stuck buried in a deep class.

[Monk4thaHALL]

... Go out and get a RT like Aboushi/Matthews/Lewan, ...

Well, Matthews and Lewan are gone well before the Skins pick in the 2nd, but I understand your sentiment. I'd gladly take either, but ... BTW, Eric Fisher should be on that list as well. There's a chance he's there in the 2nd.

It was funny we were talking about him a little bit ago and all of a sudden he jumped on the CBS big board, from the #8 OT up to #4. Not coincidentally it occurred after Fisher handled (beat) Gholston on 1-on-1.

[Dukes and Skins]

Well, Matthews and Lewan are gone well before the Skins pick in the 2nd, but I understand your sentiment. I'd gladly take either, but ... BTW, Eric Fisher should be on that list as well. There's a chance he's there in the 2nd.

It was funny we were talking about him a little bit ago and all of a sudden he jumped on the CBS big board, from the #8 OT up to #4. Not coincidentally it occurred after Fisher handled (beat) Gholston on 1-on-1.

Have to think Fisher is there in round 2 unless he has a Joe Staley/Duane Brown esque rise into the 1st round(which is possible)

[stevemcqueen1]

Well, Matthews and Lewan are gone well before the Skins pick in the 2nd, but I understand your sentiment. I'd gladly take either, but ... BTW, Eric Fisher should be on that list as well. There's a chance he's there in the 2nd.

It was funny we were talking about him a little bit ago and all of a sudden he jumped on the CBS big board, from the #8 OT up to #4. Not coincidentally it occurred after Fisher handled (beat) Gholston on 1-on-1.

I need to check out Fisher. Haven't seen him play yet, I'm working on old information.

I saw the cutups of Lewan versus Gholston. That actually raised my opinion of Lewan a lot. Matched Gholston athletically and showed superior technique. He looked like the future NFL player and Gholston the guy struggling to get it figured out. He was nasty too. Before Gholston cold cocked him, Lewan really pounded him and then jammed his face in the dirt.

I think Aboushi, Matthews, and Lewan are all clear first round talents. But I also think a couple of these first round OTs will drop into the second like some of the guys from the past two drafts did.

[Dukes and Skins]

Fisher right now is that hot name Steve. You watch his film this year and its really sticking out just how well he's playing

[XEL]

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[Dukes and Skins]

Yeah, we definitely didn't overpay for Griffin. Still gives me good vindication when I was talking about him a year before his rise happened.

[DogofWar1]

If Matthews or Lewan are there when we're picking in the 2nd (they won't be), we need to run to the podium for them. Matthews would probably instantly be middle of the pack as far as tackles go with room to grow, while Lewan is an unfinished product in pass protection, so he'd probably be about even to Polumbus, but he should grow in that area.

Aboushi is the likely RT in the 2nd, and I pick him over most other positions if there are comparable players, unless we really ignore the secondary in FA, then we need to go S.

[darrelgreenie]

The ability to make superior, spontaneous decisions (especially at crucial times) is [another] trait that great quaterbacks possess. By combining his experience, vision, and what might be termed "instinctive genius"....

[Dukes and Skins]

Bob ran the last 40 yards of that TD run in 4.0 seconds according to Rich Campbell

[stevemcqueen1]

If Matthews or Lewan are there when we're picking in the 2nd (they won't be), we need to run to the podium for them. Matthews would probably instantly be middle of the pack as far as tackles go with room to grow, while Lewan is an unfinished product in pass protection, so he'd probably be about even to Polumbus, but he should grow in that area.

Aboushi is the likely RT in the 2nd, and I pick him over most other positions if there are comparable players, unless we really ignore the secondary in FA, then we need to go S.

I think you are being conservative.

I think Matthews will be an instant impact player in the running game and he'll be good enough in pass pro at RT. He's clean and seems to have everything you are looking for in a starting NFL OL today. He's limited by his agility and quicks only being "good enough," but on the right side, not really.

I think Lewan would be a massive upgrade over Polumbus day one. He's a good player. He's just got such good balance and athleticism and plays with nice technique and aggressiveness. He's naturally strong with a mauler's mentality but he doesn't have a strong base and that's the only part that's not really NFL ready with him. But Nate Solder didn't have a strong base and he played well as a rookie. On the whole, I see Lewan as a rich man's Solder. Much better technically, comparable bodies and athleticism, more NFL ready, and much, much better tape. He's a potential upper echelon starting LT. It's definitely wishful thinking on my part that he'd make it to the second.

Aboushi has played like a top 16 pick. I think he's an NFL LT and a definite first round caliber player. He's been the best lineman I've seen this season, an impact run blocker and extremely reliable in pass pro, plus he has terrific intangible qualities, leadership, aggressiveness, smarts, so on and so forth. He's a better LT player/prospect than a lot of the guys who have been taken in the first recently IMO. His tape has been fantastic.

I want one of those guys to fall to us in the second, but the reason I am so high on them is because they're friggin good and have been nasty and shown out on film this season. None of them are well kept secrets. They'll probably go in the first.

From what I've seen so far, it's guys like DJ Fluker who probably "fall" on draft day. Fluker is overrated and struggles with protection against guys who really aren't that special. He's just not a quick player and I question his lateral agility and ability to line up his blocks on the move. Plus he's so tall his leverage will be inconsistent. And he makes mental errors frequently enough to worry. But never has a man more looked like he was born to play offensive tackle, and he plays for the number one team and unleashes a lot of devastating run blocks. Hence the overrating. He passes the eyeball test as well as anyone I can remember but his play on the field just isn't good enough.

I'm also skeptical of Ricky Wagner.

---------- Post added October-15th-2012 at 12:01 AM ----------

Bob ran the last 40 yards of that TD run in 4.0 seconds according to Rich Campbell

Already at top gear. Didn't look like he gave it everything he had though, slowed down towards the end. I wonder what kind of 40 he could run going flat out after he already got up to speed.

---------- Post added October-15th-2012 at 12:06 AM ----------

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His vision is special. It's a cliche, but he could have been a great player at any skill position he wanted probably. He's almost as good at making guys miss as Percy Harvin.