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[Monk4thaHALL]

Quinton Patton vs texas a&m:

[Dukes and Skins]

Got this tweet from Russ Lande just now

I asked about LeRibeus and he responded with this

@RUSSLANDE: @JTPartlow21 - I think LeRibeus has the athleticism and strength to be a VG starter for #Redskins for the long term.

[maskedsuperstar]

Denard Robinson in the NFL is such a joke, I can think of about a hundred better QBs than him in the NCAA and I can think of about 50 players I would rather take a shot at for receiver. He is really horribly overrated and it's apparent when you actually watch him play. The fact someone put him in the top 100 for receivers is laughable at best.

Denard Robinson with the football in his hands, is no joke. Not a QB at the next level. But WR/Retuner? Yes! And some team will take a chance on him.

[Laron Burgundy]

Denard Robinson with the football in his hands, is no joke. Not a QB at the next level. But WR/Retuner? Yes! And some team will take a chance on him.

The transition has never been that smooth for turning a qb into a wr. Antwaan Randle El is one of the few I can think of who succeeded, and he was pretty mediocre. Everyone can argue that Robinson is 100x better than Randle El or whoever else is mentioned, but I don't see it. I would rather spend a late pick on Taylor Martinez than a 2nd on Denard. Can he catch? Can he run routes? Can he block? These and quite a few other questions that receivers MUST be able to do will be completely unanswered by him until after the draft. Sure, it would be fun to see a Griffin-Robinson option play (with the possibility of a lateral into a forward pass), but we need guys with clean transitions who will make immediate impacts. Not gimmick players.

[GWinSkins83]

The transition has never been that smooth for turning a qb into a wr. Antwaan Randle El is one of the few I can think of who succeeded, and he was pretty mediocre. Everyone can argue that Robinson is 100x better than Randle El or whoever else is mentioned, but I don't see it. I would rather spend a late pick on Taylor Martinez than a 2nd on Denard. Can he catch? Can he run routes? Can he block? These and quite a few other questions that receivers MUST be able to do will be completely unanswered by him until after the draft. Sure, it would be fun to see a Griffin-Robinson option play (with the possibility of a lateral into a forward pass), but we need guys with clean transitions who will make immediate impacts. Not gimmick players.

I got to disagree. This offense we are seeing is not traditional. Now if it was than yeah D Rob is probably not the way to go. But this offense it going to have alot of option and bubble screens in it. And that is rightup his alley. I rather him on bubble screens than any WR we got now except for Garcon. Those plays can be a nightmare for defenses. And the option play with Banks can be more dangerous with D Rob too just off the fact he can pass some. So that could open a lane for Alfred or RG3.

---------- Post added October-16th-2012 at 06:44 AM ----------

Ive seen a player that is a freak athlete that just started playing but is getting compared to JPP. Ezekiel Ansah. 6-6 270 former track star. For the season he has 27 tackles 9.5 for loss 3 sacks. Its said he has speed, natural power, and very versatile. Said he lines up as a OLB, DE, and DT.

---------- Post added October-16th-2012 at 06:48 AM ----------

Ive seen a player that is a freak athlete that just started playing but is getting compared to JPP. Ezekiel Ansah. 6-6 270 former track star. For the season he has 27 tackles 9.5 for loss 3 sacks. Its said he has speed, natural power, and very versatile. Said he lines up as a OLB, DE, and DT.

CBS Sports said Sheldon Richardson played great in the game vs Bama. Was beating double teams. Even put McCarron out of the game.

[Dukes and Skins]

Yeah if you want to know who that guy is becoming this year, its been Sheldon Richardson

[Laron Burgundy]

I got to disagree. This offense we are seeing is not traditional. Now if it was than yeah D Rob is probably not the way to go. But this offense it going to have alot of option and bubble screens in it. And that is rightup his alley. I rather him on bubble screens than any WR we got now except for Garcon. Those plays can be a nightmare for defenses. And the option play with Banks can be more dangerous with D Rob too just off the fact he can pass some. So that could open a lane for Alfred or RG3.

---------- Post added October-16th-2012 at 06:44 AM ----------

Ive seen a player that is a freak athlete that just started playing but is getting compared to JPP. Ezekiel Ansah. 6-6 270 former track star. For the season he has 27 tackles 9.5 for loss 3 sacks. Its said he has speed, natural power, and very versatile. Said he lines up as a OLB, DE, and DT.

---------- Post added October-16th-2012 at 06:48 AM ----------

Ive seen a player that is a freak athlete that just started playing but is getting compared to JPP. Ezekiel Ansah. 6-6 270 former track star. For the season he has 27 tackles 9.5 for loss 3 sacks. Its said he has speed, natural power, and very versatile. Said he lines up as a OLB, DE, and DT.

CBS Sports said Sheldon Richardson played great in the game vs Bama. Was beating double teams. Even put McCarron out of the game.

I don't necessarily disagree, but at the same time I don't think we're just going to make our offense silly. I still think taylor martinez is a poor man's Denard, and that's fine by me for a situational player.

As far as the all-potential team, how about a combo of Ansah, Margus, and Ra'Shede Hageman in this next draft? Hageman was the #1 tight end prospect of 2008, but now plays nose tackle for Minnesota. Has about the same dimensions as Bowen, but is a much more explosive athlete. Just a RS Junior, and could certainly use more refinement, but the physical ability is definitely there.

[stevemcqueen1]

The transition has never been that smooth for turning a qb into a wr. Antwaan Randle El is one of the few I can think of who succeeded, and he was pretty mediocre. Everyone can argue that Robinson is 100x better than Randle El or whoever else is mentioned, but I don't see it. I would rather spend a late pick on Taylor Martinez than a 2nd on Denard. Can he catch? Can he run routes? Can he block? These and quite a few other questions that receivers MUST be able to do will be completely unanswered by him until after the draft. Sure, it would be fun to see a Griffin-Robinson option play (with the possibility of a lateral into a forward pass), but we need guys with clean transitions who will make immediate impacts. Not gimmick players.

Hines Ward, Drew Bennett, Ronald Curry, Brad Smith, Matt Jones, Michael Robinson, Josh Cribbs. Those are the ones that I can remember easily. It's a hard transition no doubt, but it can be done. The problem I see with that group is, outside Cribbs and maybe Smith, a total lack of explosion that makes winning matchups at WR easier. Some of those guys have the bodies and speed to play on the outside, but not the quickness.

Also, none of those guys were of the caliber Denard is. Denard is probably the best runner in the country and one of the fastest athletes in CFB. I could see him being a streak buster. Don't fall into the trap of thinking just because different players in the past failed to make a certain kind of transition to the NFL, that X player doing so will fail too. That's where people (like me) ****ed up on Cam Newton.

---------- Post added October-16th-2012 at 09:01 AM ----------

Hunt is impressive. You can see that he's on a different level physically than his college competition, He's got a good motor and flies around the field. He's dominatingly quick and has a ton of upper body strength. He also seems smart and a quick study. But I wouldn't expect too much in the way of early production. He's lacking experience and it comes out defending the run. He can have some trouble finding the ball.

I see him being a project that you try to play mostly in passing situations early in his career.

---------- Post added October-16th-2012 at 09:03 AM ----------

Hunt is impressive. You can see that he's on a different level physically than his college competition, He's got a good motor and flies around the field. He's dominatingly quick and has a ton of upper body strength. He also seems smart and a quick study. But I wouldn't expect too much in the way of early production. He's lacking experience and it comes out defending the run. He can have some trouble finding the ball.

I see him being a project that you try to play mostly in passing situations early in his career.

[DogofWar1]

Robinson could be interesting in a backfield.

I think the best way to use Tebow would be to convert him to FB, teach him to block, and keep him in the backfield with Greene most downs. He could run it, block for Sanchez, or, in a pinch, toss it, and defenses have to gameplan for that.

Robinson could maybe be played similarly. Morris would be our main, power back, and Robinson could sort of be a speedy threat that can pass or go out wide in a pinch. It'd add another interesting wrinkle to our offense that already is tough to read.

That being said, I think there are definitely better ways to use a pick we would use on Robinson.

On Sutton, thanks for the response Monk. If Sutton declares and is there in the 3rd, and we've addressed safety, DB, and RT between FA and the 2nd round, I'd be really happy with grabbing him. He would probably be an immediate upgrade over Golston, with a high ceiling. I kind of want to use that 3rd on a DE or DT anyway depending on how FA/2nd round goes, so Sutton would be fine with me, unless some awesome 2nd round prospect falls.

[stevemcqueen1]

Quinton Patton vs texas a&m:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUVYuKAjDIo

Wow. That's probably the most impressive set of cutups from a WR I've ever seen. I've never seen a receiver have such an impact on the course of a college game.

Patton's a funny player. I don't usually expect JUCO players to be this good at playing the game--possessing his level of pure gamesmanship. Blocking, getting off the line of scrimmage, eking out just enough separation (and getting away with pushing off more often than not), drawing penalties, running terrific routes, picking up YAC through elusiveness and guile, finding space on the sidelines when you are sure there is none.

He's phenomenally quick and agile. He's so sudden he freaks the A&M DBs out and they just stat committing penalties to try and deal with him. And that run at the end of the clip where he baits the D into thinking he's going out of bounds was awesome. Stuff like that is just terrific for any true lover of the game.

I think he sees and anticipates the game on a superior level and he's aggressive, strong, and fast.

There can't be anyway Patton actually makes it out of the second round. He's too good, too ready for the NFL. That video is first round film.

[The Robert Griffin Experience]

Honestly, unless one of the big 3 tackles fall, I think I just take Hunt or Sutton (if he declares) in round 2 and call it a day. Margus Hunt has Watt or Peppers type athleticism and power, and he has room to grow.

If we only get a pass rusher that gets 5-6 sacks a season out of the DE spot who blocks a kick or punt from time to time and alters punt trajectories on a consistent basis, I think that's a good pick. I think that's his floor.

I'd use a 4th or lower on Robinson. He's a legitimate "slash" type hybrid player, and even if he never becomes a great route-runner, he'd upgrade Banks in the triple option, provide a legitimate backfield threat, and provide real trick play potential.

I think we really need to go heavy on potential and upside this draft and try to luck into a difference maker or two.

[Alcoholic Zebra]

Blocking, getting off the line of scrimmage, eking out just enough separation (and getting away with pushing off more often than not), drawing penalties, running terrific routes, picking up YAC through elusiveness and guile, finding space on the sidelines when you are sure there is none.

There can't be anyway Patton actually makes it out of the second round. He's too good, too ready for the NFL. That video is first round film.

I agree with everything except his blocking. I saw some lazy blocking, some blocks in the back. I only saw one really good committed block. There were two others where he didn't bother to block until he saw the running back actually going towards him. That led to him whiffing or just pushing the defender in the back.

But his feet, his speed, acceleration, and the fact that he catches with his hands definitely make him a great prospect. CBS has him as a probable 3rd rounder. I don't know if we should spend a 2nd on him, but a 3rd absolutely.

[Darth Tater]

The transition has never been that smooth for turning a qb into a wr. Antwaan Randle El is one of the few I can think of who succeeded, and he was pretty mediocre. Everyone can argue that Robinson is 100x better than Randle El or whoever else is mentioned, but I don't see it. I would rather spend a late pick on Taylor Martinez than a 2nd on Denard. Can he catch? Can he run routes? Can he block? These and quite a few other questions that receivers MUST be able to do will be completely unanswered by him until after the draft. Sure, it would be fun to see a Griffin-Robinson option play (with the possibility of a lateral into a forward pass), but we need guys with clean transitions who will make immediate impacts. Not gimmick players.

I can think of a couple of others who transitioned well to other positions (not to WR though). Nolan Cromwell, a 3-time all-pro safety, was a second rounder. Brian Mitchell was one of the best KR guys, ever. Problem is more that most QBs want to play QB and have probably played the position since they were in middle school. They really don't want to play another position even though they may in their head know they can't at the NFL level.

[darrelgreenie]

Our offense is going to get even more explosive as the passing game matures. Griffin will build chemistry with Davis, Garcon, Morgan, Aldrick, Hankerson, Paulsen. Drafting another WR wouldn't be high on my list. I would be more interested in finding a one-cut ZBS that can be explosive receiver out of the backfield like a Chris Rainey or Jeff Demps type.

[Monk4thaHALL]

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