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[Dukes and Skins]

Monk, Russ Lande has Richardson in the 1st round and even thinks he could go top 15. I agree Alabama wasn't a great game, but man his name has taken off this year

[Monk4thaHALL]

CBS Sports said Sheldon Richardson played great in the game vs Bama. Was beating double teams. Even put McCarron out of the game.

I watched the game live and I would not call his performance dominating or "great."

Yes he was doubled teamed on pass plays early and often and therefore nullified a good bit of his quickness and penetration, from offensive lineman equal or larger his size, weight and mass.

It definitely looked like a two-pronged gameplan of Alabama, at least at the start, to run zone stretch away from him, likewise also to chip or tandem Richardson when going his way. Richardson lined up overtop the RG often (Fluker's side ... RG #61). Then of course Bama used his quickness against him by allowing his penetration up-field to allow something to get behind him, like a screen pass.

So to set the stage, it was raining and raining and raining. Slow and steady at the beginning of the game and it gradually only got heavier as time went on. They have that rubber field there at Missouri but I'd say it was probably pretty abysmal conditions for the team that was outmatched physically - Missouri.

Alabama controlled the POA from the 1st snap. There was no doubt about it - you knew who was in control.

Bama when running early would do some zone blocking stretch away from Richardson and then switch it up and chip Richardson's outside shoulder, tandem block him so that he couldn't penetrate, slide or get up-field at all. Or Fluker would straight down block against him to seal his outside shoulder, then they'd pull the RG outside of Fluker to lead the edge, zone everything else backside.

Richardson's game is quickness, speed and penetration / disruption. Bama stopped him in the 1st half pretty well. They actually allowed him up-field by design on a number of plays in order to create a natural crease for Draw run or to setup a screen pass.

After Bama got their fill of the run game, they were physically contolling the POA, driving them backward ... I remember they had a few runs that went opposite a defensive slant or blitz and caught Missouri off guard, actually for a TD.

Missouri was trying to fight strength with strength. So what did Bama do? - they would then keep Missouri on their toes by allowing the D-Line to penetrate and setup a screen pass or short developing dump off. Simple stuff to counter the Missouri counter to the run game.

The 1st quarter was slow and steady, grind it out football by Bama.

Then the rain became torrential in the 2nd quarter. (Go figure rain in Missouri - haha). Missouri was on the field for what seemed like the entire 2nd Q. Then a huge lightning bolt exploded right overtop the stadium clearing the stands and postponing the game. The fans emptied the seats, the players ran for the lockerroom.

After a considerable break like 30 to 45 minutes maybe even an hour (I didn't time it, but it was a long break) things cleared up. They resumed play of the 2nd quarter. Then had an abbreviated halftime.

By the 2nd half, it seemed like Richardson started to make some plays, so too did Missouri. The coaching staff must have torn into them during the entire extended break, challenged their toughness, because the plays Missouri made in the 2nd were just hustle and execution, nothing scheme wise.

And what I mean by "made plays," I mean they held Bama neutral for most of / all of the 3rd quarter. But eventually Alabama pulled away again late in the 4th quarter. It was a game controlled by Bama more or less from start to finish, with a few hiccups in the 3rd quarter. Missouri mounted a 2nd half defensive stand, which ultimately fell short.

The play in which McCarron got taken out of the game, Richardson came low and hit him on the ankle, if I remember correct. It wasn't like he nailed him with a shoulder and blasted him to the next zip code. He took out his lower leg / ankle (not on purpose, I'm sure) but it wasn't a classic, "he knocked him out of the game." Because McCarron came back and stayed in the game until late in the 4th, when the game was ll but decided.

All in all, I think the times in which Richardson beat a double team, somebody probably took note, I know I did, yet at the same time it wasn't like he single-handedly took over the game or blew up critical plays by himself. Often enough the double teams worked against him.

Fluker was able to use enough of his titanic body to chip his shoulder and the RG was able to cross his face. Barrett Jones latched on a few times and it was a neutral standoff between the two. I remember remarking that the RG did well against him, held his own.

The time he was able to penetrate, Bama used that to their advantage.

So, I wouldn't call it "great" or dominate. I kept waiting for a big play, hoping to see something. I saw a couple of solid plays. A few times he made a play down the line or chasing something down or once or twice behind the LOS, but it wasn't game changing.

Across the board the Bama just has too much talent at all of the outlining positions. And they held Richardson in check. It was a game in which you said, "he's not a 1st rounder." But at the same time you noticed the game plan of Alabama and said, "they are scheming away from and around him, I can see his natural athleticism, so I agree that he'll go very soon after the 1st round."

[darrelgreenie]

I'd take advantage of the strength of this WR class if a good one fell to me. This class looks really good. Probably the best position group in it from what I've seen so far.

Short of a 1st round WR falling to our pick I think drafting another WR would be progress stopper for the WRs we already and would leave another area ignored or passed over.

[Monk4thaHALL]

oh, here:

Sheldon Richardson vs alabama 2012:

[Monk4thaHALL]

@JoshNorris: To me, there are two CLEAR top senior tackles in this class. Not Wagner. Not Aboushi. Tenn's Dallas Thomas (LG now) & C-Mich's Eric Fisher.

I highly suggest to the twitter people to follow Josh Norris. Has been doing an amazing job with their draft work at Rotoworld.

I want to "like" your post. I agree, there's some good talent there with Fisher. Especially when he's in the open field. I like his slide as well, really athletic and smooth. Good scheme fit athletically for our zone stretch. But I also watched a handful of central michigan games and I've noticed that they run something similar to what the Skins now run with Morris.

It's a toss play, Toss Sweep and Quick-Pitch Dive, usually to to their strongside - Fisher's side.

They have both Fisher and the backside guard step out, "pull" playside and go one gap or two gaps outside in a stretch, then block down toward the backside with a TE and allow the center, who's usually uncovered, to reach the 2nd level vertically and cut-off backside LB pursuit.

The flow usually gets the playside LB to step forward like he's seeing a straight dive, but then he gets caught up with the TE who's cracking down on the outside shoulder of the DE. The LB is caught in the wash - so the block is a two for one, leaving the RB to hit the hole with only a safety coming up from 10 to 15 yards deep. Usually the X and Z are stalking downfield or they do the "crack-back," (not the illegal kind).

Anyway, I did a breakdown of a handful of their plays from the tape I saw ... I think against Iowa. It was exactly like what the skins have been doing with Morris . Toss sweep, pitch-back Dive, pitch-back zone stretch. All similar setup and scheme. So I know Fisher could step in day 1.

One point about Aboushi, I like a lot of his game, but when you watch him in the open field, running, not talking about short-area radius blocking, but open field running - you can see some limitation. He's not a free glider like Fisher. You can see it in the Duke game tape.

Not a big point just an observation. There are things that Aboushi does that are really good: his base, his strength at the POA, leverage in the run game, his pass-pro is good. But don't forget the handful of times last year, against FSU in that game, he was solid for 90% to 95% of the snaps, but a couple times he got beat by the now injured DE. Those ended up being sacks, which in turn were drive killers. UVA still won the game.

Just subtle little things, not an overarching critique.

In order to call him a top 10 player, surefire 1st rounder (which I don't agree with, not in this class) I would have to see him handle Javis Jones 1-on-1, shut him down.

[GWinSkins83]

Monk, Russ Lande has Richardson in the 1st round and even thinks he could go top 15. I agree Alabama wasn't a great game, but man his name has taken off this year

He had a great game vs Alabama 14 tackles 1 sack and put McCarron.

[Monk4thaHALL]

He had a great game vs Alabama 14 tackles 1 sack and put McCarron.

Those tackles came from running things down, like screen passes. Or switching his angle of pursuit downfield, on zone stretch away from him, to chase things down. He didn't blow things up.Now his quickness and ability to chase, yes very good.

I watched the game live and in full context. Bama controlled the game.

His final stats are misleading.

The game final stats are not.

Alabama had 362 rushing yards for the game. They controlled the line of scrimmage. Alabama ran the ball 47 times.

A lot of Richardson's tackle stats came from just having to defend the run so much. 9 solo and 5 assisted tackles (14) on 47 run plays and a bunch of screens. It was just a matter of accumulated stats due to volume.

Bama passed the ball less than half as many times as they ran it, 21 - many of which were screens or dump-offs.

The cut-up is available. You should watch it.

---------- Post added October-17th-2012 at 07:24 PM ----------

Monk, Russ Lande has Richardson in the 1st round and even thinks he could go top 15. I agree Alabama wasn't a great game, but man his name has taken off this year

I know man, I'm pretty sure I quoted you a few days ago and replied with a link to Lande's take on Richardson, which he graded him or alluded to talk about him in 1st round.

Again, I like him and I agree in large part with the consensus on him. But per the Bama game, the game tape doesn't lie to me - he was nullified in the Bama game.

[GWinSkins83]

Those tackles came from running things down, like screen passes. Or going downfield on zone stretch away from him. He didn't blow things up. I watched the game live and in full context. Bama controlled the game.

The final stats are misleading. - Alabama had 362 rushing yards for the game. They controlled the line of scrimmage. Alabama ran the ball 47 times. A lot of Richardson's tackle stats came form just having to defend the run so much. Bama passed the ball less than half as many times as they ran it - 21 - many of which were screens or dump-offs.

The cut-up is available. You should watch it.

---------- Post added October-17th-2012 at 07:24 PM ----------



I know man, I'm pretty sure I quoted you a few days ago and replied with a link to Lande's take on Richardson, which he graded him or alluded to talk about him in 1st round.

Again, I like him and I agree in large part with the consensus on him. But per the Bama game, the game tape doesn't lie to me - he was nullified in the Bama game.

Look he is and was the only Dlineman worth something on that line. I dont look at Bama's rushing yards. Bama got nothing but 4 and 5 star players on the line. So yes I stats are misleading. I looked at that cut-up and seen a explosive Dlineman that has a motor even when the game in out of hand. I seen a big man make a tackle when the play started 10 yards from him. When dealing with scouting to me is if he plays like surrounded by others with equal talent does he shine. And I say yes. Alot of those yards went away from him. I even seen plays where he altered the play and his teammates failed their assignment. Where if they did his play would have been a highlight of it. Just saying dude played great even if Bama had 300 yards rushing.

[Rabsuz]

It's in spanish, but would you be happy with this Draft? > http://redskinses.wordpress.com/2012...ns-mock-draft/

I would love it, especially Hurst, TJ McDonald, Poyer, and Patton. But I doubt any of them fall to those positions in the draft, that draft seems incredibly optimistic especially with Patton in the 6th, that will never happen the lowest he is going is round 3. That Auburn TE? Another ILB? I don't agree with those. It would be very nice to fill a safety, corner, and RT need instantly but things are never that easy for the Redskins. I can only hope our draft is half as good as that though.

[Monk4thaHALL]

Look he is and was the only Dlineman worth something on that line. I dont look at Bama's rushing yards. Bama got nothing but 4 and 5 star players on the line. So yes I stats are misleading. I looked at that cut-up and seen a explosive Dlineman that has a motor even when the game in out of hand. I seen a big man make a tackle when the play started 10 yards from him. When dealing with scouting to me is if he plays like surrounded by others with equal talent does he shine. And I say yes. Alot of those yards went away from him. I even seen plays where he altered the play and his teammates failed their assignment. Where if they did his play would have been a highlight of it. Just saying dude played great even if Bama had 300 yards rushing.

Listen, it's not a big deal. And this post is not a big deal. We're not in disagreement on the big picture. I'm trying to make a distinction on this game.

Of course he has talent, that's why I kept posting about him and dropping cut-ups of him.

Isn't someone who has remarked on his talent, his natural ability, allowed to critique his gameplay? Or is that off limits?

Simply stating that Richardson played against Alabama and chased things down is nice to observe. But it's important to me to make distinctions when available. I know why I'd select Star Lotulelei Top 5, Top 10 and it has nothing to do with stats.

Someone will take Richardson early. I know that. He does things athletically that few 300 pounders can do. If he was used like Will Sutton from a 5-Tech in a 3-4, allowed to be a specialist, showcase his burst, quickness and speed I'm sure his pass-rush would be even more pronounced.

But I'm trying to make a distinction between saying he had a great game vs Bama due to the stats he accumulated, which I don't think I agree with. To be clear that's all you stated before, the stats.

I know what you mean from the above quoted. But it's not new to me. I've seen it and commented on it too.

It's obvious to observe him chasing things down. It's obvious that he's the playmaker for that D-Line, I didn't suggest otherwise. One can see his ability from the get go. But I believe absolution is found in the examination of the fine details.

Here's a post of mine before the Bama game:

Watching Sheldon Richardson vs Vandy, dude is just so good. Now he does have explosion. He creates for himself and others. His sack, he beats the TE from a jumbo set, the double team / chip block from the RB is brushed aside and he swallows up the QB on the bootleg. His closing speed to the QB was just awesome. He already has repertoire rushing the passer. And he's 300 lbs.

I'm not on the opposite side of the fence here.

This too:

Dukes and Skins:
I would seriously target Sheldon Richardson in round 3

I like that ...

Though, I'm seeing athleticism from him that pushes his stock higher than that. I'm guessing / hoping for 2nd round right now (though I've read some articles that have him as a 1st rounder, some commentators speculating the same) because he lines up in 0 tech, 2/3 Tech, 5 Tech and every so often comes form a 2-point stand-up.

I don't know, I get a feeling about him that dovetails to things I felt last year with other prospects.

...

My lesson learned: if you like someone, don't wait, don't get cute, another team will grab him. Don't hope for a fall, navigate to a place to get the guy you want, don't let other teams dictate terms to you.

Every vid I've posted before about him, that's the 1st thing you see - quickness and ability to chase. That's why I'd like him on the edge of the defense, not in the middle as a 3-Tech, because Bama did exactly what you do to a guy like that, use angles to to chip and run away. It was a good gameplan.

This especially:

This is a vid I came across, make of it what you will - it's Russ Lande's opinion. He says the rumblings have him end of 1st, early 2nd.

http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-foo...u1bj8nrdiqf46s

I agree about his ability to penetrate, first step, quickness. There are times he can get swallowed up, stymied.

I mean I keep telling myself, if Dontari Poe is selected in the 1st round based purely on his size and athleticism, but lacking good tape, I wonder about a guy who obviously flashes on the tape, but not the same size, maybe similar athletic measurables when all said and done.

I'm just trying to make distinction on game-play. Because I believe a truthful observer of that game has to admit it wasn't great.

1 reason, because as you said above about the 4 and 5 star players .... that's who he'll face in the NFL. The Bama game was a s close as you'll get to a preview of NFL size and talent ... so in someways it was a bellwether - you know?

On pass plays Richardson was non-existent, except for that one sack, which looked more like Fluker shoving him from the back right into McCarron. And who's #61?, he won some 1-on-1 match-ups against him, crossed his face and shielded him from flow, don't tell me you didn't notice that. Again details.

We're just going to disagree that he had a great game vs Bama. But we're going to agree that he's a talented player that someone will select based upon his abilities, less the outcome.

[stevemcqueen1]

Monk, Russ Lande has Richardson in the 1st round and even thinks he could go top 15. I agree Alabama wasn't a great game, but man his name has taken off this year

Pass rushers are volatile. It's hard to tell how teams will value them. Did anyone really think Bruce Irvin or Shea McClellin would go as high as they did during the season? Guys will just blow up after the season's over.

---------- Post added October-17th-2012 at 10:28 PM ----------

Short of a 1st round WR falling to our pick I think drafting another WR would be progress stopper for the WRs we already and would leave another area ignored or passed over.

Yeah, it'd have to be a BPA style pick for sure. But I don't think that's far fetched. I think there are more first round caliber receivers in this class than spots for them in the first round.

I like the group of receivers we've got, but I'm not married to any of them. If we found a better option, I'd be willing to upgrade. The idea of blocking the development of Hankerson or Robinson doesn't really bother me. Garcon is set. Santana is winding down. Morgan is a slot guy of moderate value, probably about as good as he's going to get. Robinson is fast and Hankerson is tough and has a big catch radius, but Garcon is the only guy who really strikes me as a big talent in our group. I'd like to add another one.

I don't think we have a lot of short term holes and I like the idea of taking a chance at pairing RGIII with a top talent at receiver for a long time. And mainly, I 'm a BPA believer that likes the idea of milking the most available talent out of a draft pick.

---------- Post added October-17th-2012 at 10:34 PM ----------

I think Patton is being undervalued big time. He's a small school juco transfer with only last year of production which has obscured his value. But if ever there was a coming out party, that A&M game was it. And if AJ Jenkins and Kendall Wright go in the first round, then Patton is a first round talent too. A 6'2 receiver with that level of quicks, skills, and production will not fly completely under the radar. I'd be absolutely shocked if he doesn't go in the first or second, with the strength of the WR class being the only big thing suppressing his value. LA Tech is small, but it's not Mount Union.

[Monk4thaHALL]

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---------- Post added October-17th-2012 at 11:38 PM ----------

Jordan Poyer vs wisconsin:

[Monk4thaHALL]

Jordan Poyer vs BYU:

[~*JurgyFan*~]

It's in spanish, but would you be happy with this Draft? > http://redskinses.wordpress.com/2012...ns-mock-draft/

Lutzenkirchen and Lichtensteiger on the same line...I'd like to hear Sam Huff deal with that!

[hunterx]

You guys are so resourceful, I love it!

I wish the ticker bars during college games would tell viewers who the top prospects are for the NFL.