2013 Comprehensive NFL Draft Database

[The Robert Griffin Experience]

All this talk about runningbacks, do you guys legitimately believe an rb is an immediate need for this team? Royster and Helu both proved themselves to be capable backs in this system, I think it is absolutely silly and a waste of resources to go after an rb in this year's draft. That being said, you guys are talking about late 1st to 2nd round prospects, one guy I'd look for is Kenjon Barner of Oregon. He'll go much later in the draft and he would have a lot of familiarity with our offense, since they run some of the same kind of plays.

>drafting for need

If you don't have a Pro Bowler at a position, or you have reason to believe you might lose the one you have in 3 years, and you have the chance to draft a Pro Bowler, then you draft the Pro Bowler. Reaching for needs is how you get awful drafts like what the Chiefs and Cowboys trot out year after year. RB is the highest attrition position in the game. Getting a long-term workhorse like Gore or Steven Jackson or Adrian Peterson is rare. So if you want a stable run game, you have to plan as if your current starter won't be productive 3 years down the road. The luxury of the Shanahan offense is that you can invest 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th rounders and get a quality player at RB. But you have to maintain that pipeline.

You simply cannot go into the draft with the mindset of "we need a safety and our RB just ran for 1500 yards, so let's take the safety we graded as a 3rd rounder over the RB we rated as a first rounder". Until the differences between the BPA at need position and the overall BPA are the equivalent of 5-10 draft spots, you go with the BPA.

[Laron Burgundy]

>drafting for need

If you don't have a Pro Bowler at a position, or you have reason to believe you might lose the one you have in 3 years, and you have the chance to draft a Pro Bowler, then you draft the Pro Bowler. Reaching for needs is how you get awful drafts like what the Chiefs and Cowboys trot out year after year. RB is the highest attrition position in the game. Getting a long-term workhorse like Gore or Steven Jackson or Adrian Peterson is rare. So if you want a stable run game, you have to plan as if your current starter won't be productive 3 years down the road. The luxury of the Shanahan offense is that you can invest 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th rounders and get a quality player at RB. But you have to maintain that pipeline.

You simply cannot go into the draft with the mindset of "we need a safety and our RB just ran for 1500 yards, so let's take the safety we graded as a 3rd rounder over the RB we rated as a first rounder". Until the differences between the BPA at need position and the overall BPA are the equivalent of 5-10 draft spots, you go with the BPA.

You still completely miss the point of us having adequate backups already on the roster. In games where helu had 10 or more carries, he was on pace for 1300+ yards last year along with another 700 through the air. Royster was similar. If the guys we are discussing are 1st round rbs, well, they'll probably be gone by the time we pick. And there will be 2nd round prospects at positions we actually need when we draft, seeing as how we have needs at almost every position outside of wr, rb, and qb. RB is probably our deepest position, it still seems silly to think about drafting an rb early when we've drafted 3 in the past 2 years and they have all turned out well.

[stevemcqueen1]

You still completely miss the point of us having adequate backups already on the roster. In games where helu had 10 or more carries, he was on pace for 1300+ yards last year along with another 700 through the air. Royster was similar. If the guys we are discussing are 1st round rbs, well, they'll probably be gone by the time we pick. And there will be 2nd round prospects at positions we actually need when we draft, seeing as how we have needs at almost every position outside of wr, rb, and qb. RB is probably our deepest position, it still seems silly to think about drafting an rb early when we've drafted 3 in the past 2 years and they have all turned out well.

Are they adequate?

Saying they were on pace for this or that ignores the fact that health has been a huge issue for Helu and a nagging issue for Royster. Royster is a third stringer.

I think WR is a need BTW. Look at the difference in quality between our receivers and Pittsburgh's. Hank man. I don't really care for him. Our group has no promise in it to make up for the fact that they're young an mistake prone. I honestly wouldn't care if we replaced the entire WR/TE core outside Freddy D, Garcon, and maybe Morgan.

[The Robert Griffin Experience]

We may have to replace Davis anyway, Achilles tears are a nightmare to come back from. And I've lost faith in Hankerson, his hands are just too unreliable. I wish it could be some fixable issue like LaRoches ADD. Santana is still good though. Garcon needs to get healthy too. Man I wish we had gotten V-Jax


I still say our defense needs a full overhaul. Yes Haslett's scheme is bad but our front 7 simply does not pressure the passer. Our guys are just too reliant for an athletic stud like Rak to draw and beat doubleteams. We are just lacking in speed and playmakjng.

And boom, Robinson fails to draw another TD in. Granted, it was an awful PI but still, the ball hit him in the body between the numbers.

[stevemcqueen1]

Justin Blackmon has been absolutely awful this season. That was one of the worst sequences from a WR I've ever seen. He's been downright unprofessional. Man, I loved him as a prospect, but he might be the worst receiver in the NFL right now. If I were Gabbert I wouldn't even throw the ball at him any more.

---------- Post added October-28th-2012 at 04:17 PM ----------

Jax was orchestrating a potential comeback drive in the final 3 minutes and got to about the opponents 45 and Gabbert through the ball at Blackmon 4 times in a row. It almost looked like Gabbert was trying to get Blackmon into the game and get his head right.

Anyway, first down, Blackmon completely dogs it, breaks off his route early, Gabbert puts the ball in place but Blackmon had quit on the play even though he was open, negating what would have been about a 22 yard completion in the air with space around him. Horrible. Ok, next down, Blackmon dogs it again, doesn't fight for the ball even though Gabbert put it up where only he could get it. Almost picked off. Third play, Blackmon catches the ball well short of the first down, alright, maybe he's turned it around but they still have to go for it on fourth. Final down, Blackmon tries to set a pick on a crossing route it looks like, but gets knocked off course, gives up on the route (trying to draw a penalty I guess?), incomplete, almost intercepted, game over.

It was about as ugly as you'll ever see.

Why on earth was he Gabbert's first read each play? The guy should have been pulled after that first play.

[The Robert Griffin Experience]

I stopped following Blackmon post draft, but I did read some stories lately about his character and professionalism, and they were BAD. He sandbagged his rookie contract negotiations (That's right, post new-CBA a rookie first rounder was struggling to get signed). Drunk driving in the offseason too, blowing a .24. Yep, a .24.

[PlayAction]

The RG Experience "We may have to replace Davis anyway, Achilles tears are a nightmare to come back from. I still say our defense needs a full overhaul. Yes Haslett's scheme is bad but our front 7 simply does not pressure the passer. Our guys are just too reliant for an athletic stud like Rak to draw and beat doubleteams. We are just lacking..."

Yes, Davis may be questionable for return. LLandry did everything possible to avoid achilles surgery. Logan Paulson though is filling in quite well at TE. Cooley and Niles Paul both need to show that they can contribute consistently. Otherwise add TE to the long list of needs.

The front 7 is missing Carriker who was a lot better than most fans credited. I'm hoping that Jenkins is just learning and still tentative from his prior injury. If not, then he'll be a major disappointment. The backup LBs filling Orakpo's position haven't demonstrated consistency. But, with Orakpo being out two years in a row I don't know whether the Skins can count on him either. Obviously, safety and CBs are areas of concern. The defense needs an infusion of talent but free agency will be limited due to the cap penalty. Just two more years of purgatory and the Skins will have full cap room and a complete set of draft picks - - but by then many starters will be at the tail end of their careers. It really is amazing to see how long it can take to overcome ten years of mismanagement.

[The Robert Griffin Experience]

I am not a fan of Logan Paulson, and in a VERY deep TE class, we need to take one, as early as the 2nd round if the TE is at the top of our board.

I'm wavering between it being a Haslett problem or a Haslett + talent problem. I thought we had a defense that was on the up and up last year. Even with the injuries, we should not be this bad. I'd be able to get a better picture if we were running a real scheme.

I wonder how this team would look with everyone healthy.

[delmarvan]

I'd draft a S/DE/DT/CB with the second round pick, Ideally, Vaccaro, Rambo, would be the pick. I wouldn't even mind picking up Matthieu with a late pick.

[GWinSkins83]

Are they adequate?

Saying they were on pace for this or that ignores the fact that health has been a huge issue for Helu and a nagging issue for Royster. Royster is a third stringer.

I think WR is a need BTW. Look at the difference in quality between our receivers and Pittsburgh's. Hank man. I don't really care for him. Our group has no promise in it to make up for the fact that they're young an mistake prone. I honestly wouldn't care if we replaced the entire WR/TE core outside Freddy D, Garcon, and maybe Morgan.

I would keep Paulson too.

[PlayAction]

I am not a fan of Logan Paulson, and in a VERY deep TE class, we need to take one, as early as the 2nd round if the TE is at the top of our board.
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What's not to like? He's done well as a blocker in this scheme and he can catch 4+ balls per game. I'm not saying he's your answer for a pass catching TE but I think he's solidified his role as #2 on the depth chart. If the TE class if really deep then the Skins should be able to pick up a high quality TE later in the draft. I'm assuming that there will be plenty of other positions at similar rankings when the Skins get their first pick in the second round.

[The Robert Griffin Experience]

Paulsen is a perfect #2 TE. Problem is, I'm not sure our #1 TE will ever be the same. There are lots of potential #1 TEs, and you never know when a run on them will start. I don't think you'll see any more Aaron Hernandezs get to the 4th.

[Dukes and Skins]

I'd draft a S/DE/DT/CB with the second round pick, Ideally, Vaccaro, Rambo, would be the pick. I wouldn't even mind picking up Matthieu with a late pick.

I'd prefer Vaccaro to Rambo, but Rambo has improved a ton this year

[abdcskins]

Can anyone tell me the Skins 2013 draft order, as in how many picks we have in each round? Sorry to ask but I googled and couldn't find it.

[GWinSkins83]

Can anyone tell me the Skins 2013 draft order, as in how many picks we have in each round? Sorry to ask but I googled and couldn't find it.

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