2013 Comprehensive NFL Draft Database

[GWinSkins83]

1st round
Keenan Allen
Justin Hunter
Robert Woods
Terrence Williams

2nd round
DeAndre Hopkins
Cordarelle Patterson

I've got your boy Dobson in the 3rd Dukes

I don't even think Robert Woods is a 1st round talent.

Dukes I would put Keenan Allen, Hopkins, Justin Hunter, Terrence Williams too.

---------- Post added November-2nd-2012 at 08:05 PM ----------

I college the one player close to Megtron is Marcus Davis of VT. 6-4 235 4.37 40 44" vert. I would look for Mike to maybe try this dude out. He has a track record of getting those under the radar Wrs something like RBs.

---------- Post added November-2nd-2012 at 08:17 PM ----------

I'm trying to stop looking at the draft as BPA and position of need. I look at it like this is the piece going to make the sum better as whole vs the other piece. Basicly when you are talking a 2nd round or so you're still talking about a start with Pro Bowl potential. Now WR vs CBs. WR looks like the more talented group vs the CBs. So maybe after 5 or 6 CBs its a free fall of potential where as WRs it looks to have 10 to 12 players with Pro Bowl potential. Also you have to look at it like this. RG3 spreads the ball around that I really dont see a need to look for a Fitz, Johnson, Megtron type of player.

[Momma There Goes That Man]

I don't even think Robert Woods is a 1st round talent.

Dukes I would put Keenan Allen, Hopkins, Justin Hunter, Terrence Williams too.

---------- Post added November-2nd-2012 at 08:05 PM ----------

I college the one player close to Megtron is Marcus Davis of VT. 6-4 235 4.37 40 44" vert. I would look for Mike to maybe try this dude out. He has a track record of getting those under the radar Wrs something like RBs.

Please no, stay away from Marcus Davis. I am a die hard VT fan and see him constantly. He has all the tools in the world but he just never puts it all together. He shows lack of effort and laziness, drops and just repeatedly doesn't have his head in the game. I would not want to take a chance on him.

---------- Post added November-2nd-2012 at 09:20 PM ----------

I still think Griffin sets the table on offense and can make anyone look good. We are severely lacking playmakers on defense both in the secondary and on the DL. We all know pass rush has been noexistent without Rak so we need to get guys in there that can help the secondary out.

I think that is where we need to focus unless some an offensive guy falls and is just too ridiculously good to pass up.

[Rabsuz]

I don't know why you guys want us to draft a running back or tight end so badly. Honestly, don't see the reasoning here and I could not defend the front office if they went RB or TE before round 6 barring some legendary miracle drop from an elite player.

[NLC1054]

I don't know why you guys want us to draft a running back or tight end so badly. Honestly, don't see the reasoning here and I could not defend the front office if they went RB or TE before round 6 barring some legendary miracle drop from an elite player.

Because even if we get Fred back healthy (and I think there's a pretty good chance he'll come back "healthy", just not back to 100%), we still might find ourselves needing a tight end unless Logan or Niles explodes. Logan, I think, is a good guy to have because he can fairly reliable, but I'd think Kyle would also want more of a "move" guy, like a Davis or a Graham or a Hernandez where you can line up multiple places. You can't really have Logan play the Joker role, and Niles is so inconsistent that you almost have to bring in someone to compete with him.

It'd help our depth tremendously at tight end and basically covers our asses.

As for running back...well, Mike always takes a running back. It's not a question of "if" he'll take a running back but when and where. But it seems like some of the desire to make running back a "need" instead of a luxury is because people don't see Alfred Morris as a game breaker. And really like Montee Ball.

[Dukes and Skins]

I don't know why you guys want us to draft a running back or tight end so badly. Honestly, don't see the reasoning here and I could not defend the front office if they went RB or TE before round 6 barring some legendary miracle drop from an elite player.

Because this team needs more playmakers on O. A TE to pair with Fred would do a ton for this team, especially a guy like Ertz who is already a very good inline blocker and has proven to be a good pass catcher.

[skinfan2k]

Where would a guy like Jordan Reed go? He looks to have that look of Hernandez. I dont know how much we can count on Fred to come back from his injury

[stevemcqueen1]

Texas A&M gets better tackle play than most of the teams in the NFL.

Those guys blow people up. They're difference makers.

[Dukes and Skins]

Where would a guy like Jordan Reed go? He looks to have that look of Hernandez. I dont know how much we can count on Fred to come back from his injury

I haven't watched enough to give him a grade yet, but NFLDraftScout has him as a 3rd round pick

[Voice_of_Reason]

Because this team needs more playmakers on O. A TE to pair with Fred would do a ton for this team, especially a guy like Ertz who is already a very good inline blocker and has proven to be a good pass catcher.

Yeah, but the team is able to move the ball consistently with what they have. They can't stop anybody. Even with Davis and Garcon out, they are still moving the ball.

They can't stop a HS team. Let along slow down one of the better NFL offenses. They need help in the secondary. In the draft. They should devote every pick, and I'm being serious, to the best DB, whether it be CB or SS or FS that is on the board at that point.And then bring them all into camp and figure out which ones can play.

[Dukes and Skins]

Two guys from Arkansas I want to see on this team. Dennis Johnson at RB and Chris Gragg at TE

[Voice_of_Reason]

Where would a guy like Jordan Reed go? He looks to have that look of Hernandez. I dont know how much we can count on Fred to come back from his injury

I personally think that drafting a TE at this point is a luxury. Davis is a toss up. He's not under contract, he's has a doobie smoking past, and a ruptured achilles. I think they'll bring him back. But will he be 100%? Who knows. But I don't think that with all the holes in the secondary, ie: every position, you can afford the luxury of going after a TE when you have 3 competent ones on your roster. (I'm assuming that Cooley could be competent next year if they didn't want to re-sign Davis, or he couldn't come back healthy.)

[skinfan2k]

I personally think that drafting a TE at this point is a luxury. Davis is a toss up. He's not under contract, he's has a doobie smoking past, and a ruptured achilles. I think they'll bring him back. But will he be 100%? Who knows. But I don't think that with all the holes in the secondary, ie: every position, you can afford the luxury of going after a TE when you have 3 competent ones on your roster. (I'm assuming that Cooley could be competent next year if they didn't want to re-sign Davis, or he couldn't come back healthy.)

Not sure if you read my other thread that i started, but i rather have an unstoppable offense and wait for guys like Rak, Carriker and Merriweather/Jackson come back and invest minimal assets into the defense while getting RG3 everything we can

[Voice_of_Reason]

I wonder if he'll declare for the draft.

I'd pick him with a 6th or a 7th. I like him as the slot defender if he can get himself into football shape and stop smoking weed. He needs to ditch his friends from school and make a clean break.

---------- Post added November-2nd-2012 at 01:33 PM ----------

- IF Matthieu got back into shape and we took him in a late round,

- IF Amerson is just temporarily slumping from some off field stuff and he can be coached up into his old level of performance and we took him in the second,

- Then that would be two impact caliber talents added to the secondary for a very minimal investment.

I don't know man, taking a guy that gets kicked off of the LSU football team? That's pretty hard to do. I don't know that I want that type of person on this team. Just a matter of time before he smokes another joint and ends up suspended for 4 games.

---------- Post added November-3rd-2012 at 02:56 PM ----------

Not sure if you read my other thread that i started, but i rather have an unstoppable offense and wait for guys like Rak, Carriker and Merriweather/Jackson come back and invest minimal assets into the defense while getting RG3 everything we can

Yeah, I did. And while I agree with a lot of your posts on a lot of subjects, (and this thread isn't the place for this argument) I disagree with the position. If the defense was, right now, top 20, they'd have 2-3 more wins with the way the offense is right now. I'll post more in the other thread. I posted in it once already....

---------- Post added November-3rd-2012 at 02:59 PM ----------

Not sure if you read my other thread that i started, but i rather have an unstoppable offense and wait for guys like Rak, Carriker and Merriweather/Jackson come back and invest minimal assets into the defense while getting RG3 everything we can

Yeah, I did. And while I agree with a lot of your posts on a lot of subjects, (and this thread isn't the place for this argument) I disagree with the position. If the defense was, right now, top 20, they'd have 2-3 more wins with the way the offense is right now. I'll post more in the other thread. I posted in it once already....

[NLC1054]

Yeah, but the team is able to move the ball consistently with what they have. They can't stop anybody. Even with Davis and Garcon out, they are still moving the ball.

They can't stop a HS team. Let along slow down one of the better NFL offenses. They need help in the secondary. In the draft. They should devote every pick, and I'm being serious, to the best DB, whether it be CB or SS or FS that is on the board at that point.And then bring them all into camp and figure out which ones can play.

That's a pretty crappy way to build a football team and a really good way to get a log jam of depth at one position while ignoring every other position on the field.

We have 8 draft picks. You're saying draft 8 DBs. Right now, we have 10 DB's on the roster. And free agency is before the draft, and you have to believe defensive back will be a priority, in addition to any guys we bring back. If you drafted 8 DB's, you have to cut most of them, which is wasted draft picks, unless you want to sign four or five defensive backs to your practice squad.

The goal of the draft is to maximize your draft picks by upgrading in as many positions as possible while getting the best available players. You can't do that if you zero in on one position. Hell, Green Bay spent their first 6 draft picks on defense and only picked 2 DB's after their secondary got torched.

Mike Shanahan's goal is going to get as much talent around Robert Griffin III as possible. Going BPA has served us well in the past two drafts (despite general impatience from fans and how nothing is happening fast enough), and I imagine we're going to keep it that way.

[The Robert Griffin Experience]

Yeah, but the team is able to move the ball consistently with what they have. They can't stop anybody. Even with Davis and Garcon out, they are still moving the ball.

They can't stop a HS team. Let along slow down one of the better NFL offenses. They need help in the secondary. In the draft. They should devote every pick, and I'm being serious, to the best DB, whether it be CB or SS or FS that is on the board at that point.And then bring them all into camp and figure out which ones can play.

No, absolutely not, and while our offense is great, we HAVE been slowing down in the past few weeks, and ensuring that RGIII reaches his full potential is far more important than making marginal defensive improvement by reaching for secondary every pick.

If you have a guy like Amerson who could be the overwhelming BPA at our pick, take him, but reacting to our poor defense (which is a product of scheme and coaching first, injuries second, and overall talent level last) and reaching for guys is literally the opposite of the correct draft strategy.

I personally think that drafting a TE at this point is a luxury. Davis is a toss up. He's not under contract, he's has a doobie smoking past, and a ruptured achilles. I think they'll bring him back. But will he be 100%? Who knows. But I don't think that with all the holes in the secondary, ie: every position, you can afford the luxury of going after a TE when you have 3 competent ones on your roster. (I'm assuming that Cooley could be competent next year if they didn't want to re-sign Davis, or he couldn't come back healthy.)

Logan Paulson is NOT a #1 TE, no way in hell. He's a solid #2 TE, but he is nowhere near a replacement for Davis. Cooley might not be in game shape or whatever, but he's no more than a #2 too.And as for Niles Paul, I just do not think he's anything more than a special teamer - he's too bad at catching the ball (and his hands are tiny so it won't get much better) Almost NOBODY comes back from a ruptured achilles, certainly not a Pro Bowl level. It would be irresponsible to not look into a long-term replacement for Davis, and TE is one of the deepest positions in the class.

Replacing Haslett, signing some mid-tier DBs in FA and getting Rak and Carriker and Nield back healthy is more than enough to make us a very good team if we invest largely on offense in the draft.