2013 Comprehensive NFL Draft Database

[BobGriffin]

Anybody like William Gholston ? I think he has JJ Watt potential. 6-7 280lbs of freak.

[soljaofjesus]

Anybody like William Gholston ? I think he has JJ Watt potential. 6-7 280lbs of freak.

Run stopper and I hear he plays when he wants too. If we could get him in the 4th, I'd be for it. Don't think that will happen though.

[MrJL]

That's a pretty crappy way to build a football team and a really good way to get a log jam of depth at one position while ignoring every other position on the field.

We have 8 draft picks. You're saying draft 8 DBs. Right now, we have 10 DB's on the roster. And free agency is before the draft, and you have to believe defensive back will be a priority, in addition to any guys we bring back. If you drafted 8 DB's, you have to cut most of them, which is wasted draft picks, unless you want to sign four or five defensive backs to your practice squad.

of those ten DBs the most likely to be on our team next year are Richard Crawford, DeJon Gomes and Jordan Pugh. Most of the other guys are on contracts that will either expire next year(Cedric Griffin, David Jones, Madieu Williams,) or can be cut with minimal cap implications(Josh Wilson and Reed Doughty's contracts expire in 2014) from what I've seen. Hall and Merriweather are the only guys who might cause problems with cap but I can't see them around.

[soljaofjesus]

I have the perfect way to get started on the right foot. I did some research and all the players I am listed CAN be found in their respective rounds:


Oday Abuishi OT from UVA - 2nd round
Perfect for zone blocking and he could potentially start right away. Cut Jamal Brown and get some cap relief

Shayne Skov ILB/OLB Stanford / Michael Mauti ILB Penn State - 3rd round
Of all the rankings I look at, they have these guys going into the 2-4 rounds. Both are players that could sit for a year or two and learn under London

Travis Long - OLB - Washington State - 4th round .
In the mold of Brooks Reed and Conor Barwin. Can provide depth and an actual pass rush if Kerrigan or Orakpo gets injured again.

Montee Ball RB from Wisconsin / William Gholston - DE - Michigan State - 5th round
With Marcus Lattimore's injury, and running backs not being as needed as in the past, I see no Running backs getting into the first round. Joseph Randle is rated as the #1 running back at the moment, and I think he is a 2nd round prospect. William Gholston hasn't shown much as far as pass rush skills but he is still a freak of nature and could potentially be a good DE in the 3-4. He would have to pack on 20 lbs of muscle but his frame will allow him to comfortably add more weight easily.

Ryan Swope - WR - Texas A&M 5th round - MANNN he might not look like it now because of his QB, but with Ryan Tannehill, Swope was showing up! He was a shifty slot receiver. Not a speedster but quick and knows how to get open. CONSISTENT HANDS.

Denard Robinson - QB - Michigan 6th round - He can be what Banks isn't in the return game and triple option offense. With Denard in the triple option, not only do they have to worry about RGIII running and passing, they also have to worry about Darrell Young on the inside hand off as well as Denard Robinson running AND Throwing the ball. I am not saying we should do this all the time, but it allows for flexibility and defenses have to watch out. Plus he is just sick with the ball in his hand running.

7th Lucas Reed TE - New Mexico - Project TE. Stash on Practice Squad for 2-3 years. 6-6 250 lb TE . Brother of Brooks Reed.

7th Tyron Mattheiu - Drug test his ass every week. Don't be afraid to cut him or stash him on the practice squad.

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As far as free agency is concerned, DHALL should not be cut. The CB FA class is not thick at ALL! More safeties coming out than CBs. DHALL should restructure his 9 mill .... soooooooo.


1) Restructure DHALL
2) Sign Tanard Jackson back (give him a chance to put his head on. Showed promise. Don't count on him to make the team, but it would be a nice surprise if he did. Should come cheap).
3) Sign Jairus Byrd - I'm not sure how difficult this would be but he is one of the better FS in the league at the moment. He would start with Tanard Jackson and Jordan Bernstine backing him up.
4) Cut Cedric Griffin
5) Sign Mike Jenkins

[GWinSkins83]

Where would a guy like Jordan Reed go? He looks to have that look of Hernandez. I dont know how much we can count on Fred to come back from his injury

I actually think he's the best TE prospect for this team. Him and Paulson would be a good combo.

[MrJL]

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As far as free agency is concerned, DHALL should not be cut. The CB FA class is not thick at ALL! More safeties coming out than CBs. DHALL should restructure his 9 mill .... soooooooo.


1) Restructure DHALL
2) Sign Tanard Jackson back (give him a chance to put his head on. Showed promise. Don't count on him to make the team, but it would be a nice surprise if he did. Should come cheap).
3) Sign Jairus Byrd - I'm not sure how difficult this would be but he is one of the better FS in the league at the moment. He would start with Tanard Jackson and Jordan Bernstine backing him up.
4) Cut Cedric Griffin
5) Sign Mike Jenkins

Griffin does not need to be cut, he's on a one year deal. Jackson was also on a one year deal, don't know if the time accrues on a suspension or not. But he still had to be re-instated anyway. Jordan Bernstine tore all three ligaments in his knee. I don't think he'll be ready next year.

As for your draft picks. The Skins have to get a new CB or two.

[FrFan]

As far as free agency is concerned, DHALL should not be cut. The CB FA class is not thick at ALL! More safeties coming out than CBs. DHALL should restructure his 9 mill .... soooooooo.

"Where do the Redskins Stand: The salary cap is projected to be $121 million next year, adding in the $1.87 carry over, gives the Skins a cap number of $122.87. When you subtract the $18 million cap penalty, the Redskins available cap for next season is just $104.87. Which means the Redskins wouldn't even have enough money to fill out their roster with minimum salary players, much less tender contracts to restricted free agents." Link

[stevemcqueen1]

Anybody like William Gholston ? I think he has JJ Watt potential. 6-7 280lbs of freak.

There was some discussion of him a while back. I think several of us were intrigued by him but didn't love him.

He's a great runner. Extremely fast straight line athlete for his size. But I didn't think he was more than the sum of his parts yet. The instincts were alright, not really jump out at you. The power also seemed a little underdeveloped with him. But mainly, he just doesn't have an array of rushes he can go to and his hand use is underdeveloped. He's a project player IMO, and you really saw the problems with technique come up against Taylor Lewan. Lewan is a technically sound player with great NFL level athleticism and he just crushed Gholston. Frustrated him so much that Gholston punched him .

I probably wouldn't pick him where I think he'll go. I tend to dislike defensive linemen who aren't good with their hands.

[Voice_of_Reason]

That's a pretty crappy way to build a football team and a really good way to get a log jam of depth at one position while ignoring every other position on the field.

We have 8 draft picks. You're saying draft 8 DBs. Right now, we have 10 DB's on the roster. And free agency is before the draft, and you have to believe defensive back will be a priority, in addition to any guys we bring back. If you drafted 8 DB's, you have to cut most of them, which is wasted draft picks, unless you want to sign four or five defensive backs to your practice squad.

The goal of the draft is to maximize your draft picks by upgrading in as many positions as possible while getting the best available players. You can't do that if you zero in on one position. Hell, Green Bay spent their first 6 draft picks on defense and only picked 2 DB's after their secondary got torched.

Mike Shanahan's goal is going to get as much talent around Robert Griffin III as possible. Going BPA has served us well in the past two drafts (despite general impatience from fans and how nothing is happening fast enough), and I imagine we're going to keep it that way.

Going BPA is a fine approach. However, when you have one area of your football team that is totally lacking, it would be criminal not to address it in some way. And I don't think that the 'Skins would REALLY spend 8 picks on DBs. But the point that I'm making is that picking up several DBs is more important than picking up another TE.

[stevemcqueen1]

I like this proposition better than "We should take DBs at every pick vs. We should take BPA at every pick":

Which DBs would be BPA style value picks when we draft?

In the second round I like Amerson and Poyer. Maybe McDonald, although I don't think he separates himself from the pack much and doesn't flash as a playmaker/impact talent. He's a steady player with versatility, but doesn't seem much like a future star.

In the third round I like Vaccarro and maybe Rambo and Phillip Thomas.

Fourth round I like most of the top strong safeties: Duke Williams, Elam, and Lester. I like Nickell Robey in the fourth. Maybe Justin Gilbert too.

[GWinSkins83]

Not sure if you read my other thread that i started, but i rather have an unstoppable offense and wait for guys like Rak, Carriker and Merriweather/Jackson come back and invest minimal assets into the defense while getting RG3 everything we can

Dominant Defense with RG3 is a dynasty. Dominant Offense bad defense is a team on and off when it comes to playoffs. I actually believe if we can get a Top Ten Defense we would be the best team in the NFL. We rush for 183 yards a game with a defense we should be beating teams by 10 pts or better.

[GWinSkins83]

of those ten DBs the most likely to be on our team next year are Richard Crawford, DeJon Gomes and Jordan Pugh. Most of the other guys are on contracts that will either expire next year(Cedric Griffin, David Jones, Madieu Williams,) or can be cut with minimal cap implications(Josh Wilson and Reed Doughty's contracts expire in 2014) from what I've seen. Hall and Merriweather are the only guys who might cause problems with cap but I can't see them around.

Hall has no dead compare that will hurt the team. Its like 900,000.

---------- Post added November-3rd-2012 at 06:03 PM ----------

I have the perfect way to get started on the right foot. I did some research and all the players I am listed CAN be found in their respective rounds:


Oday Abuishi OT from UVA - 2nd round
Perfect for zone blocking and he could potentially start right away. Cut Jamal Brown and get some cap relief

Shayne Skov ILB/OLB Stanford / Michael Mauti ILB Penn State - 3rd round
Of all the rankings I look at, they have these guys going into the 2-4 rounds. Both are players that could sit for a year or two and learn under London

Travis Long - OLB - Washington State - 4th round .
In the mold of Brooks Reed and Conor Barwin. Can provide depth and an actual pass rush if Kerrigan or Orakpo gets injured again.

Montee Ball RB from Wisconsin / William Gholston - DE - Michigan State - 5th round
With Marcus Lattimore's injury, and running backs not being as needed as in the past, I see no Running backs getting into the first round. Joseph Randle is rated as the #1 running back at the moment, and I think he is a 2nd round prospect. William Gholston hasn't shown much as far as pass rush skills but he is still a freak of nature and could potentially be a good DE in the 3-4. He would have to pack on 20 lbs of muscle but his frame will allow him to comfortably add more weight easily.

Ryan Swope - WR - Texas A&M 5th round - MANNN he might not look like it now because of his QB, but with Ryan Tannehill, Swope was showing up! He was a shifty slot receiver. Not a speedster but quick and knows how to get open. CONSISTENT HANDS.

Denard Robinson - QB - Michigan 6th round - He can be what Banks isn't in the return game and triple option offense. With Denard in the triple option, not only do they have to worry about RGIII running and passing, they also have to worry about Darrell Young on the inside hand off as well as Denard Robinson running AND Throwing the ball. I am not saying we should do this all the time, but it allows for flexibility and defenses have to watch out. Plus he is just sick with the ball in his hand running.

7th Lucas Reed TE - New Mexico - Project TE. Stash on Practice Squad for 2-3 years. 6-6 250 lb TE . Brother of Brooks Reed.

7th Tyron Mattheiu - Drug test his ass every week. Don't be afraid to cut him or stash him on the practice squad.

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As far as free agency is concerned, DHALL should not be cut. The CB FA class is not thick at ALL! More safeties coming out than CBs. DHALL should restructure his 9 mill .... soooooooo.


1) Restructure DHALL
2) Sign Tanard Jackson back (give him a chance to put his head on. Showed promise. Don't count on him to make the team, but it would be a nice surprise if he did. Should come cheap).
3) Sign Jairus Byrd - I'm not sure how difficult this would be but he is one of the better FS in the league at the moment. He would start with Tanard Jackson and Jordan Bernstine backing him up.
4) Cut Cedric Griffin
5) Sign Mike Jenkins

That looks like a very adverage offseason.

[soljaofjesus]

"Where do the Redskins Stand: The salary cap is projected to be $121 million next year, adding in the $1.87 carry over, gives the Skins a cap number of $122.87. When you subtract the $18 million cap penalty, the Redskins available cap for next season is just $104.87. Which means the Redskins wouldn't even have enough money to fill out their roster with minimum salary players, much less tender contracts to restricted free agents." Link

Honestly, I have been hearing that for years. Still haven't seen it yet.

---------- Post added November-3rd-2012 at 10:07 PM ----------

Hall has no dead compare that will hurt the team. Its like 900,000.

---------- Post added November-3rd-2012 at 06:03 PM ----------



That looks like a very adverage offseason.

What do you expect with limited funds? Also, I think you might be comparing that with the Vinny days . Now we can work through the draft and sign a minimal amount of key FAs to fill the other spots. Build through the draft ya know ?

[skinfan2k]

Dominant Defense with RG3 is a dynasty. Dominant Offense bad defense is a team on and off when it comes to playoffs. I actually believe if we can get a Top Ten Defense we would be the best team in the NFL. We rush for 183 yards a game with a defense we should be beating teams by 10 pts or better.

making our defense into a dominant one will take years. We can improve our offense way faster.

[darrelgreenie]

Because this team needs more playmakers on O. A TE to pair with Fred would do a ton for this team, especially a guy like Ertz who is already a very good inline blocker and has proven to be a good pass catcher.

Imho the defense is clearly more in need of playmakers then the offense.

From what I've seen from this offense I don't see pairing Fred Davis with another TE as have a big impact on the offense.