2013 Comprehensive NFL Draft Database

[GWinSkins83]

"Where do the Redskins Stand: The salary cap is projected to be $121 million next year, adding in the $1.87 carry over, gives the Skins a cap number of $122.87. When you subtract the $18 million cap penalty, the Redskins available cap for next season is just $104.87. Which means the Redskins wouldn't even have enough money to fill out their roster with minimum salary players, much less tender contracts to restricted free agents." Link

Dude Steve is WRONG. For one thing next year we only have 78 million committed to contracts. That's 28 million to fill out the roster. That's not even counting cutting DHall's 8 million, Brown's 5 million, Fletcher's 6 million, Moss' 6 million. We can sign some great FAs and then fill the roster with young players UDFAs and some Vets.

[GWinSkins83]

Honestly, I have been hearing that for years. Still haven't seen it yet.

---------- Post added November-3rd-2012 at 10:07 PM ----------



What do you expect with limited funds? Also, I think you might be comparing that with the Vinny days . Now we can work through the draft and sign a minimal amount of key FAs to fill the other spots. Build through the draft ya know ?

No I dont see No player making this team better as a team other than Jarius Byrd.

[NLC1054]

Going BPA is a fine approach. However, when you have one area of your football team that is totally lacking, it would be criminal not to address it in some way. And I don't think that the 'Skins would REALLY spend 8 picks on DBs. But the point that I'm making is that picking up several DBs is more important than picking up another TE.

And my point is that even with the cap hit, at least some of our defensive problems will be addressed through free agency.

I mean...say we structure D-Hall's contract and free up some cap space. We signed Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie and Ryan Mundy, and Brandon Meriweather proves to be a solid starting free safety. All the sudden the secondary looks better, doesn't it? DRC and Josh Wilson as the main corners, D-Hall playing the nickel corner and occasional free safety role, Ryan Mundy playing free safety, Meriweather playing strong safety, then solid depth behind with Richard Crawford, D.J and Reed, maybe a couple others.

Suddenly the secondary doesn't look so bad. Or at least not as bad as it does right now.

That's the problem with the "we need to draft as many defensive backs as possible" theory; for one, it assumes that free agency doesn't exist, and that Mike Shanahan and Bruce Allen won't find some wiggle room to sign talent they want. Yeah, we're dealing with the cap hit for 2013, but we're in the clear for 2014, 2015 and so on, meaning we might be able to back load some of those contracts.

But two, even though I feel we'll still find a way to be active in free agency, the draft is still the best, cheapest way to improve your football team at all positions. Like I said, the Green Bay Packers focused almost exclusively on one side of the ball in this year's draft. (They also have better depth than us, but that's neither her nor there). The Redskins have had scouts at some big games with some big time defensive backs; no doubt they're going to try their damndest to get a DB in the draft.

But that can't be the only position we zero in on. Logan is a solid back-up and I love his work ethic, but he's not a number one tight end. Niles...ehhhh. And Cooley's a rest of the season rental. And Fred's coming off an iffy injury.

The goal of every offseason for a football team should be to get better at as many positions as possible. Of course you have to fix your glaring holes, but you also must build depth, so that one or two injuries doesn't completely devastate your ability to function.

[GWinSkins83]

making our defense into a dominant one will take years. We can improve our offense way faster.

Not true. Add talent and a coach that can use that talent correctly and you'll see it results. Cards and Seahawks prime examples. Our offense already scores 27 pts a game. Its PITIFUL we don't have a winning record. Know why Colts have a better record than us? Cause their defense keeps Luck in the game.

[soljaofjesus]

No I dont see No player making this team better as a team other than Jarius Byrd.

To each his own . I think all of the draft picks I placed out there would make us a better team. You don't see Montee Ball being a good 3rd down back for us ? Catching the ball out of the backfield spelling Morris ?

You don' t see how an Offensive Tackle will sure up the Right side of the Offensive line ? You don't see how another ILB to learn and takeover for Fletch will help? It appears Keenan resembles Perry Riley as far as pass coverage and the finesse like attributes and I don't think he is "tough enough" (for lack of a better word) to be paired with Riley.

You don't see how another OLB to backup Kerrigan and Orakpo will help create pressure on third downs and allow us to still have a pass rush with an injury ? You don't think Mike Jenkins is an upgrade over Cedric Griffin ?

You don't see how Denard Robinson can be a much better Banks at this point ? Help me to understand because it all appears to be good choices. Guess that's why I'm not a GM huh ? lol

[NLC1054]

You don't see how Denard Robinson can be a much better Banks at this point ? Help me to understand because it all appears to be good choices. Guess that's why I'm not a GM huh ? lol

When's the last time Denard Robinson returned a punt? Or caught a pass? Or did anything but be a run first quarterback?

[MrJL]

Hall has no dead compare that will hurt the team. Its like 900,000.[COLOR="Gold"]

---------- Post added November-3rd-2012 at 06:03 PM ----------

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I was just thinking about his 2014 cap hit. He's got a pretty high 2015 salary

[GWinSkins83]

To each his own . I think all of the draft picks I placed out there would make us a better team. You don't see Montee Ball being a good 3rd down back for us ? Catching the ball out of the backfield spelling Morris ?

You don' t see how an Offensive Tackle will sure up the Right side of the Offensive line ? You don't see how another ILB to learn and takeover for Fletch will help? It appears Keenan resembles Perry Riley as far as pass coverage and the finesse like attributes and I don't think he is "tough enough" (for lack of a better word) to be paired with Riley.

You don't see how another OLB to backup Kerrigan and Orakpo will help create pressure on third downs and allow us to still have a pass rush with an injury ? You don't think Mike Jenkins is an upgrade over Cedric Griffin ?

You don't see how Denard Robinson can be a much better Banks at this point ? Help me to understand because it all appears to be good choices. Guess that's why I'm not a GM huh ? lol

We adverage 180 yards a game. We are very effective running the ball. How does it tend to our defense? RT is the same ad to Ball. Mike Jenkins has been the weakest CB on Dallas. DRob is a good pick in the 7th though. Kenaan Robinson is in his first year has only played 20% of the plays. And has done good when in.

[Voice_of_Reason]

And my point is that even with the cap hit, at least some of our defensive problems will be addressed through free agency.

I mean...say we structure D-Hall's contract and free up some cap space. We signed Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie and Ryan Mundy, and Brandon Meriweather proves to be a solid starting free safety. All the sudden the secondary looks better, doesn't it? DRC and Josh Wilson as the main corners, D-Hall playing the nickel corner and occasional free safety role, Ryan Mundy playing free safety, Meriweather playing strong safety, then solid depth behind with Richard Crawford, D.J and Reed, maybe a couple others.

Suddenly the secondary doesn't look so bad. Or at least not as bad as it does right now.

That's the problem with the "we need to draft as many defensive backs as possible" theory; for one, it assumes that free agency doesn't exist, and that Mike Shanahan and Bruce Allen won't find some wiggle room to sign talent they want. Yeah, we're dealing with the cap hit for 2013, but we're in the clear for 2014, 2015 and so on, meaning we might be able to back load some of those contracts.

But two, even though I feel we'll still find a way to be active in free agency, the draft is still the best, cheapest way to improve your football team at all positions. Like I said, the Green Bay Packers focused almost exclusively on one side of the ball in this year's draft. (They also have better depth than us, but that's neither her nor there). The Redskins have had scouts at some big games with some big time defensive backs; no doubt they're going to try their damndest to get a DB in the draft.

But that can't be the only position we zero in on. Logan is a solid back-up and I love his work ethic, but he's not a number one tight end. Niles...ehhhh. And Cooley's a rest of the season rental. And Fred's coming off an iffy injury.

The goal of every offseason for a football team should be to get better at as many positions as possible. Of course you have to fix your glaring holes, but you also must build depth, so that one or two injuries doesn't completely devastate your ability to function.

I can't disagree with any of this. I think my premise on drafting specifically defensive secondary guys is that with the cap penalty, I just don't think the 'Skins can be active within FA to the level that they need to be to pick up quality talent for both starters and depth.

it wasn't that long ago that people were SCREAMING because the 'Skins kept on picking up WRs and TE and totally ignoring the OL and DL. I like what the team has done on the OL and DL, so, now it's time to turn focus to the secondary. They need, young, home grown talent to start in the secondary. They have none. So, I'm suggesting that they need to target this position in BOTH FA and the draft.

Heck, even if they drafted a bunch of guys, they would be rookies, so who knows how well they would do year 1. But the tactic should be to get a bunch of young guys who can stick around and grow together for some number of years. This is easier to do through the draft than it is through FA.

Look, I'm exaggerating when I say they should use every pick on the secondary. That's realistically never going to happen. But, let's say, for the second round pick, if there was a tie between a very solid TE and a very solid DB (of any type) I think you have to go DB in that situation, because you can live with what you have at TE more than you can in the secondary.

Of course, if some of the rumors are true, the 'Skins get some cap space back, they singe Rodgers-Cromartie and Ryan Mundy, then obviously they can do a lot of things in FA and change the priority of the draft.

[stevemcqueen1]

Cheap shot from Fluker there, he should have been flagged for shoving Mingo.

I don't really like the way those two play. You couldn't draw up two more prototypical looking players than them. But they're not the sum of their parts.

---------- Post added November-3rd-2012 at 10:24 PM ----------

Realistically, what is Mosely's draft range?

The guy is such a gifted LB but he subs out of base packages. I assume it's a seniority thing.

He and Kevin Minter are probably my two favorite LBs for us in the class.

If either of those two kids made it to us in the second, I would have no hesitation drafting them.

Keenan Robinson is alright, but he's just a guy. Those two are impact players.

[Dukes and Skins]

Keenan Robinson is more than just alright IMO. A starting caliber LB who has proven himself when he's played

[stevemcqueen1]

Keenan Robinson is more than just alright IMO. A starting caliber LB who has proven himself when he's played

He might be starting caliber. But he's never been a playmaker. He's no C.J. Mosley or Kevin Minter.

---------- Post added November-3rd-2012 at 10:28 PM ----------

The defense has a lot of guys who are alright. Solid starters. Then there are two guys who are create mismatches against a lot of opponents around the league--Kerrigan and Orakpo.

But the defense has no elite players. The biggest playmaker is the one the majority of fans want to cut.

[Dukes and Skins]

He might be starting caliber. But he's never been a playmaker. He's no C.J. Mosley or Kevin Minter.

You dont always need a playmaker at LB. James Farrior was never known as the best 3-4 ILB, if you asked a 3-4 DC they wanted him as their LB though.

As for draft areas for both. Mosley will go late 1 Minter early 2

[stevemcqueen1]

You dont always need a playmaker at LB. James Farrior was never known as the best 3-4 ILB, if you asked a 3-4 DC they wanted him as their LB though.

As for draft areas for both. Mosley will go late 1 Minter early 2

If you can get one though, I think you take it. They're in on every single play. Having two playmaking ILBs is one of the reasons San Fran is so intimidating on D.

I think DG has a point. Where is our Trent or RGIII on defense? Where is even our Freddy D? We don't have elite talent on that side of the ball. I'd take it anywhere I could get.

---------- Post added November-3rd-2012 at 10:50 PM ----------

Whew that was a pretty block from Fluker.

[Dukes and Skins]

Don't disagree, but I'd rather have an elite type S prospect right now over an ILB.