2013 Comprehensive NFL Draft Database

[stevemcqueen1]

Don't disagree, but I'd rather have an elite type S prospect right now over an ILB.

Who is that guy in this year's draft though? No one aside from Reid strikes me as elite.

[Dukes and Skins]

Who is that guy in this year's draft though? No one aside from Reid strikes me as elite.

I've always though Vaccaro was an elite S and still do to this day

[stevemcqueen1]

You don't go for it on fourth and short in field goal range in a defensive game.

Take the points and play defense.

---------- Post added November-3rd-2012 at 11:19 PM ----------

I've always though Vaccaro was an elite S and still do to this day

Yeah he's pretty good. I like him and he's a playmaker.

I'm seeing him projected in the third round on CBS. There's a chance you could get your playmaker in the second and still get Vaccaro in the third.

[Dukes and Skins]

I'd be stunned if Vaccaro makes it past the early 2nd round. Nickel CB/FS/SS combos just aren't found every year

[stevemcqueen1]

Verne Lundquist is an idiot.

He was talking crap about Bama as they started that drive.

"You've got no reason to be optimistic if you're Alabama based on what they've done in this half."

Um how about the fact they're the number one team and have plenty of time you moron. Nobody can defend a good team perfectly forever.

---------- Post added November-3rd-2012 at 11:46 PM ----------

Also, this is why you take the points on fourth and short in field goal range when you've got a three point lead.

Now it's a touchdown or die. If they'd kicked the FG, it'd be a FG.

---------- Post added November-3rd-2012 at 11:51 PM ----------

That was an absolute meltdown by LSU in the final two minutes. A bad kick then bad defense then an even worse effort on offense on the final drive. How do you basically give up two sacks in a row against a three man rush?

That's what a pretender does. Alabama showed why they are champions in that 2 minute sequence right there.

---------- Post added November-4th-2012 at 12:12 AM ----------

I'd be stunned if Vaccaro makes it past the early 2nd round. Nickel CB/FS/SS combos just aren't found every year

He's not having a good year. I don't know what the deal with Texas is, but that defense has been awful.

He'd have gone in the second last year if he came out early. This year, he hasn't played as well. I'm thinking second is probably his ceiling. He's got great tools, but I wouldn't be surprised if he slipped a bit into the third.

I will say though, if I were an NFL team, I'd rather take Vaccaro in the second than Reid in the first.

I want to like Reid but something about him doesn't sit right with me. I feel the same way about Fluker and Mingo. These are players that look the part and that I want to like. But I've seen them look bad too many times. Seen too many chinks in the armor. Reid takes bad angles, doesn't tackle with good technique, and gets caught looking in deep zone coverage plus he'll make the terrible penalty from time to time. He's capable of making brilliant plays, has tons of closing speed and natural power. But I don't trust him. Same for Mingo and Fluker.

I think all three of those guys are going to be overdrafted.

[Born In 93]

I'd be pretty disappointed if we went Linebacker over Safety in the second. We found perry riley in the fourth, don't see why we'd need that high of a pick for a good LB.

[DogofWar1]

Vaccaro is someone who, if he's there in the 2nd, is probably a solid pick unless someone falls. If, for example, Jake Matthews or Taylor Lewan falls into the 2nd (which almost certainly won't happen), I'm running to the podium, but besides that Vaccaro is a guy I'd like there.

Oday Aboushi is another guy to look at in the 2nd, though ideally I'd like him maybe a little later in the 2nd. If we end up picking somewhere around 42, I wouldn't mind trading back to around 52, snagging an extra 4th or something, and taking Aboushi there. Then again, if tackles are coming off the board, get him and run.

Pugh from Syracuse is moving up the boards, him in the 3rd would be good, and Nixon in the 4th would be solid too. I think Matthews, Lewan, and Aboushi would all be instant starters and upgrades, and Pugh and Nixon would compete, and either win outright or get the nod by opening 2014.

Regardless, one thing is for certain, and that is that JAIRUS BYRD MUST BE A REDSKIN. Literally, the contract should already be written, and all he should need to do is sign it come first day of FA. Get him here, and then draft Vaccaro in the 2nd, to serve as insurance in case Meriweather plays poorly or goes down to injury.

I'm also very much conflicted on defensive lineman. I recognize we need a legit NT, but I don't know if anyone available would serve as an upgrade there.

Personally, I'd like to see what Neild or Baker can do next year at the spot, or have Jenkins get up to 325ish and slide him inside. I just don't think anyone we can draft early is really going to be a huge step up at the NT position in the immediate future. DE is a potentially different story though, I'd like to see Golston out of the rotation, which, would probably require either Neild or Baker to become NT starters, kicking Cofield to the outside, or for us to draft a guy in the 2nd or 3rd. Ideally it'd be the former.

[FrFan]

Dude Steve is WRONG. For one thing next year we only have 78 million committed to contracts. That's 28 million to fill out the roster. That's not even counting cutting DHall's 8 million, Brown's 5 million, Fletcher's 6 million, Moss' 6 million. We can sign some great FAs and then fill the roster with young players UDFAs and some Vets.

"The Redskins haven't been under $100 million in team salary since salary cap was $96 million in 2005. Right now, after they sign their rookies, the Redskins will be projected at $104 million in team salary for 2013. That number doesn't even include London Fletcher's $6.2 million cap number, which can be restructured if he returns next year (and likely will be, into the $2.1 million range). And it doesn't include the 2013 rookie class, although it does include some longer-term contracts to younger players who will be terminated in training camp this year.
And here is the percentage of money from those cap numbers that would become deadcap if each player were to be released on March 1st: Moss (34.3%), Cooley (31.7%), Hall (3.6%), Cofield (117%), Brown (90%), Bowen (87.3%), Chester (90.7%). Releasing Moss, Cooley, and Hall on March 1 would save the Redskins $16.1 million on the salary cap.
Read more here.
To go back to the thread topic I think our draft class will depend on who will we able or won't be able to sign during free agency, and if London comes back.
I like David Amerson, this guy has an impressive skillset, Kenny Vaccaro, and TJ McDonald as possible 2nd round targets.

[GWinSkins83]

Vaccaro is someone who, if he's there in the 2nd, is probably a solid pick unless someone falls. If, for example, Jake Matthews or Taylor Lewan falls into the 2nd (which almost certainly won't happen), I'm running to the podium, but besides that Vaccaro is a guy I'd like there.

Oday Aboushi is another guy to look at in the 2nd, though ideally I'd like him maybe a little later in the 2nd. If we end up picking somewhere around 42, I wouldn't mind trading back to around 52, snagging an extra 4th or something, and taking Aboushi there. Then again, if tackles are coming off the board, get him and run.

Pugh from Syracuse is moving up the boards, him in the 3rd would be good, and Nixon in the 4th would be solid too. I think Matthews, Lewan, and Aboushi would all be instant starters and upgrades, and Pugh and Nixon would compete, and either win outright or get the nod by opening 2014.

Regardless, one thing is for certain, and that is that JAIRUS BYRD MUST BE A REDSKIN. Literally, the contract should already be written, and all he should need to do is sign it come first day of FA. Get him here, and then draft Vaccaro in the 2nd, to serve as insurance in case Meriweather plays poorly or goes down to injury.

I'm also very much conflicted on defensive lineman. I recognize we need a legit NT, but I don't know if anyone available would serve as an upgrade there.

Personally, I'd like to see what Neild or Baker can do next year at the spot, or have Jenkins get up to 325ish and slide him inside. I just don't think anyone we can draft early is really going to be a huge step up at the NT position in the immediate future. DE is a potentially different story though, I'd like to see Golston out of the rotation, which, would probably require either Neild or Baker to become NT starters, kicking Cofield to the outside, or for us to draft a guy in the 2nd or 3rd. Ideally it'd be the former.

Nixon in the 4th is my ideal pick. Louis Nix III is pretty good. He seems to get penetration on pass plays too. My ideal draft would be Ezekiel DE in 2nd, Vaccaro S in 3rd, Nixon RT in 4th, Micah Hyde CB in 5th and Jordan Reed TE in 5th, 6th Marcus Davis WR, 7th Thompson RB FSU, Tyrone Matthei Slot CB.

[DogofWar1]

Nixon in the 4th is my ideal pick. Louis Nix III is pretty good. He seems to get penetration on pass plays too. My ideal draft would be Ezekiel DE in 2nd, Vaccaro S in 3rd, Nixon RT in 4th, Micah Hyde CB in 5th and Jordan Reed TE in 5th, 6th Marcus Davis WR, 7th Thompson RB FSU, Tyrone Matthei Slot CB.

I don't think Vaccaro will make it to the third. Looking at where he's projected, ESPN has him as the top S and a late 1st, Walterfootball has him as a 1-2 rounder, CBS has him as an early 3rd. My guess is he'll be one of the names in the mix for top safety, along with Reid, and Jefferson. That probably gets him in the 2nd, if not late 1st if some team likes him and is hurting for a safety.

One thing that's kind of nice about this draft is that while there's not really a can't miss safety prospect, like a Berry or Taylor, there are a fair number of guys who could potentially start sometime during the year who will be there in rounds 2 and 3. Reid, Jefferson, Vaccaro, TJ. McDonald, Elam, and Lester are pretty much viewed as 1-3 round talent by all the places I've looked. S. Williams, Rambo, D. Williams, Thomas, and Halloman get mentions across a couple of those places too.

[SJValleySkinz]

The secondary has to be the top priority and there is some depth in this draft so I expect the value to be there when we pick. That being said, the ILB position in the 3-4 has evolved into a very important position because they are now being counted on to do pretty much everything from creating pressure to covering tight ends, running backs and even slot receivers from time to time. This is the reason guys like Daryl Washington, Navorro Bowman and Lawrence Timmons are becoming superstars, and the reason London Fletcher had some of his best years in the 3-4. If someone like that is available when our first pick comes up and for some reason there is a crazy run on DB's before we pick I wouldn't be too disapointed if we went that way.

[stevemcqueen1]

Why again do we run right in situations where we must get some yards? Polumbus didn't block anyone on that run.

Guys our OL is not very good. Our receivers are not very good. And after Morris, our backs are not very good.

[stevemcqueen1]

I feel like the other shoe has dropped on the offense. The unit isn't that talented without Garcon or Davis, and I think that talent drain is becoming apparent. I see value with Paulsen as a decent reserve. Morris is nice and Royster is a decent enough third string HB. Trent is good. Garcon should hopefully be good when he gets back. And then we've got Griffin.

That's it. Nobody else is above replacement level IMO.

We need more good players to surround RGIII with.

[The Robert Griffin Experience]

I feel like the other shoe has dropped on the offense. The unit isn't that talented without Garcon or Davis, and I think that talent drain is becoming apparent. I see value with Paulsen as a decent reserve. Morris is nice and Royster is a decent enough third string HB. Trent is good. Garcon should hopefully be good when he gets back. And then we've got Griffin.

That's it. Nobody else is above replacement level IMO.

We need more good players to surround RGIII with.

Indeed. This is why I think we should just go all in on offense. Get Aboushi 2, Ertz 3 and Ball 4 (or a WR at those spots if a first round caliber one is there, though I think TE is a more pressing need because we literally don't have a starting level there, while we in theory have a starting level WR if Garcon is healthy, and it's likely that the BPA in round 3 will be a TE) and call it a day. If we somehow get the cap penalties overturned then maybe throw money at Mike Wallace or Dwayne Bowe. RGIII's natural progression will take care of itself unless Snyder panics and fires Shanny (which I don't think he'll do unless Shanny fails to fire Haslett...)

It also doesn't help that RGIII is finally hitting the rookie wall, which I knew he'd hit. He wasn't going to play like a top 5 QB forever, certainly not with the level of talent depletion we've had.

[FrFan]

We need more good players to surround RGIII with.

I agree, we need a premium WR. Are you suggesting that we should target a WR in the second round ?