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[The Tris]

Shoot Kerrigans not even getting doubled of late and he is getting neutralized. Zero hurries, zero tkls today. WTF is that about.

[Dukes and Skins]

O.m.g. Tris is back!!!!

[Rabsuz]

Bowe is overrated, he gets his stats in garbage time and leads the league in drops every year, how about a no thanks. Wallace is alright, but how is he any different than Garcon?

[terpskins10]

Bowe is overrated, he gets his stats in garbage time and leads the league in drops every year, how about a no thanks. Wallace is alright, but how is he any different than Garcon?

Wallace could very well be the fastest person in the NFL. Garcon is more of a YAC guy, whereas Wallace is a deep strider that stretches out the defense over the top.

I don't think there's any way we get Wallace without giving up something in return, but if we could, I'd be all for it.

[The Tris]

O.m.g. Tris is back!!!!

When the **** hits the fan this hard, I have to vent somewhere.

[DogofWar1]

This isn't draft, but it's FA related, and this thread has had its share of FA talk.

One thing we lack BAD is a RB who can block worth a damn. Hightower could block half way decently, but he was obviously injured as far as the running part of the runningback job went.

Would it be possible to bring him back purely as a blocker? I mean, Royster is basically our blocking back, but he's terrible at it. Hightower might actually be able to keep a guy from getting to Griffin or maybe even lead block a little bit.

[stevemcqueen1]

Bowe is overrated, he gets his stats in garbage time and leads the league in drops every year, how about a no thanks. Wallace is alright, but how is he any different than Garcon?

If Wallace were nothing more than another Pierre Garcon, he would be worth our while.

Wallace is actually a better player than him though. He's a gifted receiver and he can make some plays. He's probably out of our price range.

[DogofWar1]

Shoot Kerrigans not even getting doubled of late and he is getting neutralized. Zero hurries, zero tkls today. WTF is that about.

I wish I knew too. Seems like all the players on defense are either injured (Orakpo, Carriker), regressing (Kerrigan, Wilson), or just plain bad. I mean, some of them are decent enough, but they aren't showing it at all.

[stevemcqueen1]

I saw more "fire everyone" talk today than I can ever remember in the Shanahan era.

Am I the only one who doesn't think things are that bad? I watched the same game as everyone else today, and while it was a bad performance, it doesn't change the way I felt about the team long term.

I already knew we weren't going to make the playoffs this year. We were 3-5 and had a brutal schedule this season.

I already knew our offense was lacking talent and if you all noticed, I've been belaboring that point for a couple of weeks. I already knew our defense lacked talent because it's been obvious to everyone since week 2.

But I've also been pretty consistent in my long term optimism this season. If we stick to the plan, RGIII is going to be the best player in the NFL in a couple of years and he'll win us a Superbowl even if we screw up a whole bunch of draft picks and FA decisions from now until then.

Further, I have no desire for Shanny to get fired at all. I think he's a good coach and he's built a sound foundation for a perennial contender. I don't think he deserves that kind of talk from our fan base. More importantly firing Shanny hurts RGIII most of all, which is something every fan should take to heart.

---------- Post added November-5th-2012 at 12:06 AM ----------

I wish I knew too. Seems like all the players on defense are either injured (Orakpo, Carriker), regressing (Kerrigan, Wilson), or just plain bad. I mean, some of them are decent enough, but they aren't showing it at all.

Football teams are very complex ecosystems. When a season starts going south, it throws off the balance of those systems. Good players start to play bad in those kinds of situations.

How did the Colts go from a SB appearance to the #1 overall pick with just one season in between? One key man went down and then suddenly everything was destroyed. The Coach and GM who was 6 time NFL executive of the year are out, the guys who had been mainstays for one of the best teams of the decade were diminished or kicked to the curb.

Our defense took a couple of killer blows at the beginning of the season and it's had a cascading effect on everything.

Maybe there was very little Haslett could have done to salvage the situation. Perhaps no one could have. It's unfortunate for him, but he really needs to be let go and replaced with an outside hire, as do our defensive position coaches most likely. Sometimes you need a fresh start to reboot your culture and I think that's obviously the case with our defense. It's also an opportunity for us to find a more innovative Xs and Os coach to take the reins of the defense.

[The Tris]

I'm not sure how injuries are affecting Kerrigans ability (or sudden lack there of) to win individual battles. While he is receiving more double teams, he is also failing to generate any pressure went he does not.

Mike Adams dominated him last week one on one. That didn't have to do with other players getting injured, that was simply a struggling rookie beating a supposedly very good pass rusher.

[stevemcqueen1]

I'm not sure how injuries are affecting Kerrigans ability (or sudden lack there of) to win individual battles. While he is receiving more double teams, he is also failing to generate any pressure went he does not.

Mike Adams dominated him last week one on one. That didn't have to do with other players getting injured, that was simply a struggling rookie beating a supposedly very good pass rusher.

Kerrigan is a good pass rusher.

It's not purely injuries that have undone things for everyone, not just Kerrigan. It's the fact the whole house of cards has come down. The initial causes for that were mainly injuries. Good players will often start playing bad when their team's season goes wrong. How many times has it happened to the Steelers and Giants in recent years?

[Laron Burgundy]

I wonder how most teams would look with their top two receiving options out. Many are considering our pass catchers to be inept, but while I believe there is room for improvement, I think it's one of the last things we should be worried about. Paulsen is proving to be a more than adequate tight end (wouldn't even mind just letting Davis go and keeping Paulsen as the starter at this point), and while our receivers aren't elite, Hankerson is having a year 2 that is comparable to players like Santana, Wayne, White, etc. Too early to say if this is his ceiling or if he may one day be good for 1k yards a year. I would feel more than comfortable going into next year with the players we currently have on O, though I'd love a change at RT.

Our defense is playing without 4 of its 11 starters. That's rough. I don't think any other defense in the nfl is missing as many starters. Not saying those starters are elite players, but I feel as if had we had our safeties, our defense might be at least a few notches higher, and perhaps have been good enough to have us at 5-4 instead of 3-6.

Now, is this to say I think we should rest on our laurels and that I believe this team is a playoff team as is? Hell no, but I think the doom-and-gloom is overstated. Isn't it fascinating how our o-line, which was downright repugnant last year, now looks at least league average due to having healthy starters and a new qb? I think our defense will be along the same lines (though I'm certainly not against getting a new d coordinator to nudge it along its way). It certainly doesn't have to be a multi-year complete retooling. The thing we need more than upgrades is good health.

[Rabsuz]

If Wallace were nothing more than another Pierre Garcon, he would be worth our while.

Wallace is actually a better player than him though. He's a gifted receiver and he can make some plays. He's probably out of our price range.

I'm not trashing Garcon, but I don't see why we need another fast, YAC, deep threat with some suspect hands. Pittsburgh fans are less than pleased with Wallace last time I looked at their forums prior to our game.

The holding out and new contracts would get old, I prefer Garcon for his role. We don't need two clones at WR even if they are pretty good. I don't agree Wallace is better, I don't agree at all. I think Garcon and Wallace are cut from the same mold.

[Momma There Goes That Man]

Bowe is overrated, he gets his stats in garbage time and leads the league in drops every year, how about a no thanks. Wallace is alright, but how is he any different than Garcon?

I personally agree about Bowe but Wallace opposite of Garcon would be really tough to defend and open things up so much for the running game. If we could somehow make that work we would be so much improved offensively.

Seeing Wallace take that short in route all the way across the field today and out run 3 Giants DBs to the endzone was amazing. Him in our offense with Griffin and Garcon would be magical.

[stevemcqueen1]

Football is a game of blocking and tackling. In its purest form, that's what it is. Those two things are brutal and horribly difficult, especially at the NFL level, and especially as a season wears on and your body gets wrecked. For a player to do those things well, he needs the right kind of focus and motivation. It's a mind over matter proposition. It flies in the face of any man's overpowering instinct for self preservation. For him to have that focus and motivation, he needs to have faith in the team/system/goal greater than himself so that he can make that sacrifice. For him to have that faith he needs hope that doing so will pay off, which means he needs true, ultimate confidence and trust in every part of the organization around him, from his coaches to his teammates to the support staff.

When an organization loses that purpose during a season, it's palpable. Your guys lose hope for the year and they subconsciously start playing to make it through the season without getting hurt or cut rather than playing inspired football to win. Most teams just can't flip that switch back and forth. Our defense has been at that point since week 2 and now the rest of our team is pretty much there too.

That's why good players so often start to play bad in lost seasons.