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[SemperFi Skins]

Watching that game last night, Im pushing for a complete FO turnover in Kansas City... In hopes that a new regime would want to start fresh and possibly get rid of some of these guys that might not 'fit their system.' Just a pipe dream fellas, don't kill my dreams! Also, I would actually be pissesd if Dwayne Bowe came here... That dude can't catch a cold!

[stevemcqueen1]

http://www.hogshaven.com/2012/11/1/3...oited-redskins

Good article. Highlights what I think our primary defensive issues are.

Here are his pictures of the package:

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Here is the aftermath of each of those snaps:

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Redskins rush four, drop everyone into zone coverage. Redskins get no pressure with four, clean pocket, zone gets picked apart for a first down each time.


The 2-4-5 package is as important as our base package. Teams throw as often as they pass on early downs. We don't have the personnel to run this package well.

We do not have an interior DL that can pass rush at a high level. Carriker, Bowen, Jenkins, and Cofield are mostly run defenders. We don't have five starting caliber DBs. Hell, we don't even have 3. We don't have an interior linebacker that covers our ass in pass coverage any more.

We could go far to fix that package in one acquisition by finding a top notch interior rusher. Collapsing

We could also go far to fix it by finding a high caliber man cover corner that can press. It'd be nice not to run zones accross

Those are fixes we'll need to make independent of coaching. Any other 3-4 coach we bring in will have to run that package and he needs better jimmies and joes.

[ConnSKINS26]

He'll probably end up in the top-25, but if he's there at our second round pick I'd KILL to draft Cordarrelle Patterson, assuming he comes out. Raw, but possibly the most talented WR in this class in the long run...and that's saying a lot.

[stevemcqueen1]

The discerning eye will notice that 2-4-5 looks extremely similar to the traditional 4-3 nickel package. The DLs are playing a 1 and 3 technique and the OLBs are lined up like the DEs would be and they're rushing the passer.

There is no true NT in this package. It's a rushing 1 tech.

What this package needs is a disruptive 3 tech.

[NLC1054]

Those are fixes we'll need to make independent of coaching. Any other 3-4 coach we bring in will have to run that package and he needs better jimmies and joes.

You missed the point of the article. We rushed four against a 6 man protection scheme, without running any sort of stunts or twist and without bringing any extra rushers. The whole point of the article was meant to illustrate Haslett's lack of creativity, and it's not the only time we've used that 2-4-5 package with the same result, against 5-6 man protection schemes, with no blitzes or stunts or anything. It the defensive front at a huge disadvantage which often leaves the quarterback with plenty of time to make a decision and throw.

Talent needs an upgrade, but you're fooling yourself if you don't think the coach isn't part of the problem.

In today's NFL, you cannot be predictable or you'll be run over.Right now, that's exactly what's happening to Jim Haslett's defense. Unfortunately, until the Redskins are either able to come up with a perfect coverage scheme (never going to happen) or some inventive blitz packages, then we're going to continue bending and breaking.

[DogofWar1]

We could also go far to fix it by finding a high caliber man cover corner that can press. It'd be nice not to run zones accross

Man, if we had one guy who could play bump and run well we could probably cut the number of receptions that top WRs on other teams get by half. No more 3 step drop, get ball out in under 2.5 seconds because we have a 10 yard cushion crap.

[stevemcqueen1]

Here's another image I found of the front:



Here the DLs are lined up in 1 techniques.

- You must have every down linebackers to run this formation. I think we've got four right now, but London might not be one soon.

- You must have two pass rushing DLs.

- You must have a talented nickel back that can play safety and also cover third receivers and slot guys.

That's just to run the formation competently in its most basic form. To create wrinkles and disguises and confusion, you need some other pieces:

- An ILB that can rush to unlock your ability to stunt and zone blitz. Daryl Washington is probably the King here. He's unbelievably valuable for AZ. Lawrence Timmons is another one that comes to mind.

- A safety that can cover a lot of ground. You can scheme in a DB with some freedom to roam with this formation, so if you've got a Troy Polamalu, he can be a playmaking monster.

- A top level press coverage corner. Gives you the ability to reroute receivers and disrupt offensive timing letting your blitz affect the throw. Guys who can thrive in man coverage are also a nice wrinkle to allow you to disguise coverages and fight quick strike offenses.

- Defensive linemen that can zone blitz and stunt. Guys that can stand up and play as LBers and drop zone cover are going to be extremely effective at creating confusion. Brett Keisel/Aaron Smith are who I'm thinking of. I'm also seeing a JJ Watt/Aldon Smith type as effective here.

- OLBs that can defend the run. Guys that can hold the edge are your only hope for defending the run well with this D because they're going to get left on their own a lot without back 7 guys to clean up tackles. Otherwise it's going to be easy for the offense to win at the PoA without that NT to effect the numbers game up front.

---------- Post added November-13th-2012 at 05:00 PM ----------

You missed the point of the article. We rushed four against a 6 man protection scheme, without running any sort of stunts or twist and without bringing any extra rushers. The whole point of the article was meant to illustrate Haslett's lack of creativity, and it's not the only time we've used that 2-4-5 package with the same result, against 5-6 man protection schemes, with no blitzes or stunts or anything. It the defensive front at a huge disadvantage which often leaves the quarterback with plenty of time to make a decision and throw.

Talent needs an upgrade, but you're fooling yourself if you don't think the coach isn't part of the problem.

If you read the last two lines of my post, you'll see I was talking about changes that will need to be made independent of coaching changes.

The scope of my post was basically our player personnel needs for that package. You jumped to the conclusion that I think coaching is not an issue in addition to our player personnel problems.

I also don't think merely running a bunch of stunts and blitzes is going to change our defensive performance.

For one thing, stunting is something that is best used sparingly. It's a misdirection play. Further, it compromises your ability to defend the run.

For another thing, your blitzes need effective blitzers to work, or else you're better off dropping them into coverage.

[NLC1054]

How about this draft?

2nd Round: Jordan Poyer, CB, Oregon (OR Terrence Williams, OR Tavon Austin)
3rd Round: D.J Swearinger, SS, South Carolina
4th Round: Chris Gragg, TE, Arkansas
5th Round: Micah Hyde, CB/S, Iowa
5th Round: Brandon Williams, NT, Missouri Southern
6th Round: Quinton Patton, WR, Louisiana Tech
7th Round: Zach Line, RB/FB, SMU

[Alcoholic Zebra]

Patton in the 6th round? Did he have some issues or recent struggles? I thought he was supposed to go in like the 3rd?

[NLC1054]

Patton in the 6th round? Did he have some issues or recent struggles? I thought he was supposed to go in like the 3rd?

Probably projecting him too low.

I tend to do that. A lot.

[Rabsuz]

How about this draft?

2nd Round: Jordan Poyer, CB, Oregon (OR Terrence Williams, OR Tavon Austin)
3rd Round: D.J Swearinger, SS, South Carolina
4th Round: Chris Gragg, TE, Arkansas
5th Round: Micah Hyde, CB/S, Iowa
5th Round: Brandon Williams, NT, Missouri Southern
6th Round: Quinton Patton, WR, Louisiana Tech
7th Round: Zach Line, RB/FB, SMU

Poyer is good, we can do better than Swearinger in the 3rd, there will be better safeties there. The rest of the guys I don't really know about. Patton won't last until the 6th round, but in some world where he did we would need to grab him.

I watch all WVU games, Tavon Austin really isn't all that as a receiver. He is fast and shifty but that's really about it, nothing special at WR, his teammate Bailey is worlds better. Terrance Williams sounds really nice, but blowing a 2nd on him would be a luxury, to be honest.

[Dukes and Skins]

Poyer is good, we can do better than Swearinger in the 3rd, there will be better safeties there. The rest of the guys I don't really know about. Patton won't last until the 6th round, but in some world where he did we would need to grab him.

I watch all WVU games, Tavon Austin really isn't all that as a receiver. He is fast and shifty but that's really about it, nothing special at WR, his teammate Bailey is worlds better. Terrance Williams sounds really nice, but blowing a 2nd on him would be a luxury, to be honest.

Please tell me who you have ahead of Swearinger.... Not trying to be mean, but you talk around to other scouts and they all are saying the same on Swearinger, he's going to end up in the 3rd round when its said and done

---------- Post added November-13th-2012 at 09:06 PM ----------

And NLC WHEN we draft Brandon Williams I'll be very happy as he'll end up our starting NT and be a small school find

---------- Post added November-13th-2012 at 09:04 PM ----------

And NLC WHEN we draft Brandon Williams I'll be very happy as he'll end up our starting NT and be a small school find

[darrelgreenie]

Haven't watched any of Elam, Lester

This is not a prediction of where I think they'll go but this is how I would rank the Safety group:

1) McDonald
2) Reid
3) Willams
4) Hall
5) Vaccrro
6) Swearinger

Rambo kinda reminds me of Reid a little but athletic guy that flies around but imo he's even more undisciplined of safetey then Reid too many lunge/dive tackles.

[Warpath11]

If you read the last two lines of my post, you'll see I was talking about changes that will need to be made independent of coaching changes.

The scope of my post was basically our player personnel needs for that package. You jumped to the conclusion that I think coaching is not an issue in addition to our player personnel problems.

I also don't think merely running a bunch of stunts and blitzes is going to change our defensive performance.

For one thing, stunting is something that is best used sparingly. It's a misdirection play. Further, it compromises your ability to defend the run.

For another thing, your blitzes need effective blitzers to work, or else you're better off dropping them into coverage.

Though finding such DL talent is no easy task and it is expensive if those DL are only used in the 2-4-5 pacakge. They need to be scheme diverse, ability to play in the Okie and nickle, to provide a truly great value (though the game is becoming more of a sub-package game with each passing season). Those scheme diverse guys are usually early round picks and rarely become FAs in their prime. Also, does anyone think Pittsburgh would have spread us out and forced our hand into the nickle with a healthy Orakpo? I doubt they would go to that look as often as they did since Orakpo 1-1 would be tought to handle (if you double him hopefully Kerrigan can make some plays).

[maskedsuperstar]

Poyer is good, we can do better than Swearinger in the 3rd, there will be better safeties there. The rest of the guys I don't really know about. Patton won't last until the 6th round, but in some world where he did we would need to grab him.

I watch all WVU games, Tavon Austin really isn't all that as a receiver. He is fast and shifty but that's really about it, nothing special at WR, his teammate Bailey is worlds better. Terrance Williams sounds really nice, but blowing a 2nd on him would be a luxury, to be honest.

Bailey is a very good WR. Tavon Austion really isn't all that as a receiver? You lost me.