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[bird_1972]

If any NT goes early in the first it would be Star Lotulelei but I think John Jenkins gets snagged up in the early 2nd

Good.

That would give us a chance if he's BPA among NT, CB, S, and RT. I would not be upset with that move at all.

[Monk4thaHALL]

Another free agent scheduled for 2013, a safety, is Kenny Phillips.

He's been dealing with a sprained MCL in his right knee this year. He missed 6 games after staring the first 4 this year. He left the game last week vs green bay with a reaggravation of the MCL (right knee). It was first injured back in week 4 vs the eagles.

This is different from the knee injury he had in 2009 which shortened his season (that was patellofemoral arthritis). Phillips had microfracture surgery on his left – not right – knee in 2009.

He had his most productive year last year in 2011.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/...kenny-phillips

Again, injury may have his future contract in question, likewise cost.

Scheduled for free agency in 2013:
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/4597/kenny-phillips

[skinzwiz]

If any NT goes early in the first it would be Star Lotulelei but I think John Jenkins gets snagged up in the early 2nd

That's great. I hope he's there when we pick. But I not sure he will drop to us. Hope so...

[maskedsuperstar]

Good.

That would give us a chance if he's BPA among NT, CB, S, and RT. I would not be upset with that move at all.

At NT, the Skins have Cofield, Neild and Baker. If the Skins draft a NT, he would be behind those guys.

[skinzwiz]

At NT, the Skins have Cofield, Neild and Baker. If the Skins draft a NT, he would be behind those guys.

No, if they draft a NT, it would be because that player is believed to better than those u mentioned. Cofield is not a true NT. Neild is just OK and Baker is irrelevant. Jenkins would be an improvement and Cofield could move to DE, a better fit imo.

[Laron Burgundy]

Ray Lewis in his prime means you have a top 10 defense for as long as he's on the team. A HOF level ILB is that impactful, and Ray is the best there ever was.

Sure I'd be leery of paying it for our team after paying so much for RGIII for our team, but in a vacuum, I pay the picks and laugh all the way to the bank if I was guaranteed to have Ray Lewis level impact from that pick.

I think that's a huge disservice to Lewis's surrounding cast, which was always spectacular. Put Ray Lewis in the middle of the Jaguars and that unit is still below average. A great MLB is awesome, but they don't transform any defense into studs. Just about any defense you can think of that had a great mlb in his prime, Ravens, Chicago, San Fran, etc, all surrounded their guy with an incredible amount of talent.

[The Robert Griffin Experience]

Ray Lewis had terrible supporting casts in some of those down years between the SB win and now. Guys like McAllister and Boulware would get old or hurt, and they always had cap problems which kept them from retaining talent. Yet their defense was always top 10.

The great LBs didnt do it alone but they were the glue that held the defense together.

[Laron Burgundy]

Ray Lewis had terrible supporting casts in some of those down years between the SB win and now. Guys like McAllister and Boulware would get old or hurt, and they always had cap problems which kept them from retaining talent. Yet their defense was always top 10.

The great LBs didnt do it alone but they were the glue that held the defense together.

What year did they have poor talent? Suggs has been there since 2003, Reed since 2002, Adalius Thomas from 2000-2006, Ngata since 2006, Bart Scott from 2002-2008, McAlister from 99-08. Those guys were all pro-bowl level talent, and that's not even counting guys like Sam Adams, Peter Boulware, Rod Woodson, etc. We're talking about maybe 4 other guys who could be in the HoF some day. Not taking away from Ray, because he was the greatest of them all, but I don't think a top mlb automatically makes a top 10 d. Case in point, 2007 and 2008 Chicago Bears (ranked 28th and 21st overall respectively). And San Fran was a relatively average defense until Bowman and Aldon showed up last year.

Don't get me wrong, MLB's are great, but a pass rusher is always more important. That's what the pre-Aldon 49ers and pre-Peppers Bears lacked.

[darrelgreenie]

Bryan Kehl was claimed from waivers.

[stevemcqueen1]

I still think this is a 4-3 defense playing the 3-4. Orakpo and Kerrigan would be better as DEs in a 4-3. This is why I think until the skins get a true NT, the defense won't ever be right. Every successful 3-4 defense has a stand-out at NT. It's why I'd like the team to get Jarvis Jenkins from Georgia, but he is likely a high first rounder.

I disagree. Orakpo hasn't played DE since college, went to two Probowls his first two years as a linebacker, and Kerrigan looks like a completely natural linebacker. I've seen a lot of people say this on ES but it's simply not supported by anything that's actually happened on the field the last few years.

Also, who is the standout NT for Pittsburgh and Houston and San Diego? Is Casey Hampton still a standout NT? I don't think so. Here from PFF from weak 9:

In years past, a weak interior line would be a death knell for a team playing the Steelers. Not so this season. Through the first eight weeks, Casey Hampton, Brett Keisel, and Ziggy Hood have been the hands-down worst 3-4 defensive line in the league. In 359 combined run snaps, they have just 12 defensive stops. In 499 combined pass rushes, they’ve pressured the quarterback just 13 times. Facing Baas, Boothe and Snee could be this beleaguered trio’s chance to excel, but nothing they’ve done this season indicates that they’ll do so.

Hampton has been downright awful this year. He's completely washed up now.

Old fashioned 3-4 NTs in general are having less of an impact than ever. Cofield is more than adequate.

---------- Post added November-28th-2012 at 09:45 PM ----------

Ray Lewis had terrible supporting casts in some of those down years between the SB win and now. Guys like McAllister and Boulware would get old or hurt, and they always had cap problems which kept them from retaining talent. Yet their defense was always top 10.

The great LBs didnt do it alone but they were the glue that held the defense together.

McCallister and Boulware were awesome back in the day, multiple Probowls each. Ed Reed is a first ballot HoFer. Sam Adams was a monster. Siragusa was great. Rod Woodson and Jamie Sharper were good in those early years. Suggs has been great for a long time. Adalius Thomas was really good for them. Kelly Gregg and Haloti Ngata have had some great years. Bart Scott and Samari Rolle were good players with the Ravens. Kemo was pretty solid there too.

Baltimore's defenses have always been loaded. Ray Lewis has never had a lack of surrounding talent in his unit.

[maskedsuperstar]

I still think this is a 4-3 defense playing the 3-4. Orakpo and Kerrigan would be better as DEs in a 4-3. This is why I think until the skins get a true NT, the defense won't ever be right. Every successful 3-4 defense has a stand-out at NT. It's why I'd like the team to get Jarvis Jenkins from Georgia, but he is likely a high first rounder.

Cofield is doing a great job. I don't get the "true NT" talk. Cofield is not getting pushed back. The Skins are 3rd in the league against the rush. Thats good! Carriker, Orakpo, Cofield played in the 3-4 in college. Kerrigan stood up some at Purdue.

[darrelgreenie]

I know we discussed Bobbie Massie rookie season early just wanted to update from our friends at PFF:

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...light-goes-on/

---------- Post added November-28th-2012 at 10:27 PM ----------

Also update on the Jordan Black, Willie Smith, Tyler Polumbus discussion:
Not only does Willie Smith finishes ahead of Tyler Polumbus which naturally puts him well ahead of Jordan Black, but Willie Smith and Bobbie Massie both are ahead of Tyler Polumbus
again from PFF:

Sig Stat Snapshot: Pass Blocking Efficiency

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...-efficiency/2/

[DogofWar1]

Baltimore's defenses have always been loaded. Ray Lewis has never had a lack of surrounding talent in his unit.

Just wanted to chime in and say you're not kidding. I went back and looked at their defenses during their playoff runs, and since '03 their worst defense in total yards allowed was 10th (but had 5 years in top 3), and worst defense in terms of points scored was 6th (and again, the rest of the years were top 3).

Probably the only team in recent history that's even close to them in terms of consistent defensive performance is Pittsburgh.

[Laron Burgundy]

Cofield is doing a great job. I don't get the "true NT" talk. Cofield is not getting pushed back. The Skins are 3rd in the league against the rush. Thats good! Carriker, Orakpo, Cofield played in the 3-4 in college. Kerrigan stood up some at Purdue.

Not to mention Cofield is about 320 pounds. Casey Hampton, notoriously a 2 gapper, is 325. It's not like Cofield is sitting at 295 pounds. No, he isn't a 350 pound behemoth, but you don't need one of those in the middle of a 3-4 in order to succeed. I don't know why people keep insisting on getting someone huge just for the sake of having someone huge. Let's worry about the positions where we are clearly below average at. NT is, honestly, one of our strengths with starters and depth. We need another starting DE, we need depth at OLB, starter at FS, and likely a starter at ILB. I'm not one of those who is doom and gloom on our corners. They aren't studs, but I lay much more of the blame in coverage on our safeties and even our ILB (we are among the worst at defending tight ends).

I would go so far as to say I'd rather we drafted a tight end early than a NT, and I think Paulsen is perfectly fine if he were our full-time starter. Literally QB and K may be the only other positions I would rather we didn't draft, especially early.

Also Rolando McClain wants off the raiders. Maybe we can trade a low pick for him if they don't just outright release him. He's not quite lived up to his hype in college, but the Raiders are kind of the place where talented college prospects go to die. I think a lot underachieve there mainly due to the culture, rather than their own shortcomings. Impressionable players respond when they get the chance to play in a positive locker room.

[Dirt]

Haven't read the whole thread, and I don't have full knowledge of the upcoming QB class, but there's something I've been thinking about a lot...

The backup QB. The Kirk Cousins pick was debated, and many of us felt it was a good idea to have a 'home grown' backup. But, with the success of our offense, I'm starting to think it might be a good idea to have a backup that doesn't force Kyle to change the playbook. A QB who can pull off the zone reads, etc. Think about it, if Cousins comes in, I doubt there's any QB draws unless it's deep in the red zone. Kyle would probably be hesitant to run as many PA boots and such with a guy who is a 'pocket passer'. Our strength isn't JUST RG3, it's the offense itself, it's hard to predict, and hard to plan against.

As far as I know, there's plenty of college QBs who run a system like RG3 did at Baylor. They're all turned down because, frankly, they're not as awesome/accurate/ALSO capable of pocket passing as RG3. That's why RG3 is so special. Also consider how strong Alfred Morris has been, and Shanny's zone blocking has proved to work. This should mean receivers are getting wide open regardless of who the QB is, to some extent. If anything makes things easier for that "college style athlete QB who doesn't belong in the NFL", it's our offense. Again, I don't know enough names, besides that Geno guy (and that aint happening), but I believe we've invented an offense that hasn't really been seen before and it might be just the thing for a guy who is otherwise not drafted.

I know people will **** bricks if we draft another QB, but this is important. Let's be realistic, if RG3 has to sit and heal, we are a COMPLETELY different offense. It may be worth a shot to get another 'athlete' QB, a "baby RG3" so to speak. Cousins was drafted because Shanny really liked him and we had nothing else at QB. That was before the coaches saw how successful this style of offense can be. With what we know now, putting Cousins out there is essentially 'starting over', seeing how things work with an offense that's closer to traditional, and in that unfortunate event, I wouldn't have much faith in the 'Cousins offense'. In that case for most teams, the defense is asked to step up, but obviously that isn't our strong point.

So, with that in mind, and with a little imagination, do you guys who know your college players know of any QBs who might fit this criteria? Or perhaps FAs? I almost feel like saying Terrelle Pryor....don't shoot me.